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10CAIRO145
2010-01-31 14:59:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Cairo
Cable title:
A/S POSNER ENGAGES WITH CIVIL SOCIETY, POLITICAL OPPOSITION
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TAGS: PREL PGOV PHUM KDEM EG
SUBJECT: A/S POSNER ENGAGES WITH CIVIL SOCIETY, POLITICAL OPPOSITION
REF: CAIRO 64; CAIRO 47; 09 CAIRO 2111; 09 CAIRO 1997; 09 CAIRO 1977
CLASSIFIED BY: Margaret Scobey, Ambassador; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)
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FOR NEA, NEA/ELA AND DRL/NESCA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 2035/01/31
TAGS: PREL PGOV PHUM KDEM EG
SUBJECT: A/S POSNER ENGAGES WITH CIVIL SOCIETY, POLITICAL OPPOSITION
REF: CAIRO 64; CAIRO 47; 09 CAIRO 2111; 09 CAIRO 1997; 09 CAIRO 1977
CLASSIFIED BY: Margaret Scobey, Ambassador; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)
1. Key Points:
-- (C) In meetings January 13-14, A/S Posner told activists and opposition politicians that the U.S. is seeking ways to advance human rights and political participation over the coming 12-18 months.
-- (C) Activists urged the U.S. to end a "double standard" on Israeli human rights violations, close Guantanamo and speak out
against GOE repression.
-- (C) Opposition political leaders agreed that prospects for
significant political reform are slim while President Mubarak
remains in office. Most expected Mubarak to be a candidate in
2011, and predicted the military would play a role in succession to
ensure stability.
-- (C) Former Presidential candidate Ayman Nour urged A/S Posner to
press the GOE to stop interfering with opposition political activity, and to allow him to work and travel.
2. (C) A/S Posner told activists the U.S. is interested in how to
advance human rights in Egypt over the next 12-18 months to improve
people's lives. He said the U.S. would pursue a traditional human
rights agenda to address police brutality, restrictions on NGOs,
freedom of expression and assembly problems, sectarian tensions,
and the State of Emergency. Posner noted that the U.S. is engaged
on the coming Egyptian elections, and is working on issues of
observation, participation and training. Posner said that the UN
Human Rights Council focuses disproportionately on Israel. He
described the Goldstone Report as flawed for not being able to
include the Israeli government position, and called for Israeli and
Palestinian domestic investigations into human rights violations
during the Gaza war.
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Civil Society Recommendations for the U.S.
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3. (C) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX urged the U.S. to "practice what it preaches" on human rights by closing the Guantanamo Bay prison. Bahgat called on the U.S. to end a "double standard on Israeli human rights violations," and expressed disappointment with the U.S. position on the Goldstone Report, which he asserted "makes it harder for us to
cooperate with you" on human rights. XXXXXXXXXXXX recommended the State Department human rights report assess that the situation in Egypt declined in 2009. XXXXXXXXXXXXX asserted that many Egyptians believe the GOE has interpreted the current administration's relative "silence" on human rights and political issues as a signal of support.
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Activists' Concerns and Criticism
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4. (C)XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX said he was unsure of what current U.S.
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human rights policy is. He expressed concern over lack of U.S.
public criticism of Syria for human rights violations, and U.S.
support for Yemeni President Saleh while he represses his people.
XXXXXXXXXXXXX expected increasing GOE repression leading up to the 2010 parliamentary and 2011 presidential elections. XXXXXXXXXXXXX said he was initially optimistic when the Forum for the Future was launched that it would strengthen partnerships between Arab governments and civil society. Instead, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX asserted, government-controlled NGOs have dominated the Forum. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX noted that because of this phenomenon, he has not participated in the Forum since 2005.
5. (C) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX asked what the U.S. would do to
address expectations that fraud would pervade the 2010 and 2011
elections, and that Gamal Mubarak would inherit power from his
father. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX asserted that U.S. support for the GOE encourages it to repress the Egyptian people. He contended that President's Obama June 4 Cairo speech has not
produced "any positive results" in Egypt. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX criticized the President's speech for "equating women throughout the region with each other," instead of recognizing their differences. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX complained that the U.S. denied him entry to the Guantanamo Bay prison to visit a prisoner he was trying to represent. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX also complained that the Guantanamo prison is still open despite President Obama's commitment to close it. XXXXXXXXXXXXX called for the U.S. to urge the GOE to make significant changes to open up political life.
6. (C) Noting widespread dissatisfaction with political leaders on
all sides, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX said the 2010 and 2011 elections represented the only opportunity for change, and pressed
for more immediate action. He called for greater internal and
external pressure on the GOE to increase freedom of assembly and
expression, lift the State of Emergency, improve election
procedures with electronic voting, and allow registration with
national identification cards.
-------------- --------------
Opposition Political Leaders on Egypt's Future
-------------- --------------
7. (C) At a dinner with opposition political party leaders, A/S
Posner asked about prospects for democratic change. Most expected
Mubarak to run in 2011, leaving little room for change. Wafd
President Mahmoud Abaza and Democratic Front President Osama
Al-Ghazali Harb said they were focused on preparing for a
post-Mubarak transition, whenever that may occur. In addition to
their plans to participate in the 2010 parliamentary elections,
opposition party leaders said they are pressing the GOE and the
ruling party for a "national dialogue." The leaders agreed that
the military would play a significant role in any post-Mubarak
scenario, and that constitutional provisions would be secondary to
concerns about internal stability. Leader of the un-registered
Reform and Development Party Anwar El-Sadat asserted that the
military would not support Gamal Mubarak's succession to the
presidency, but that loyalty to President Mubarak kept it from
acting to sideline Gamal now. Abaza called Egypt's military
"apolitical," but predicted the military would to step in to ensure
stability if necessary.
8. (C) Regarding U.S. democracy promotion, the group called for
continued support to civil society and "principled" pressure on the
GOE. However, Sadat noted sensitivities over "outside
interference" in both the regime and opposition camps. Al-Ghad
Party Vice-President Wael Nawara suggested that external criticism
should be matched with primarily economic "incentives" to encourage
the government to commit to concrete democratic reforms.
-------------- --------------
Former Presidential Candidate Ayman Nour
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9. (C) In a separate meeting, Al-Ghad party founder Ayman Nour said
Egyptians were ready for change and seeking leadership. "I'm banned from participating in the coming elections, but I will be part of the political fight," Nour asserted. Nour opined that the GOE's prevention of a liberal alternative to Gamal Mubarak strengthened the Muslim Brotherhood. He underlined the impact of the security services' interference with opposition political activity, and advocated increased U.S. pressure to highlight GOE restrictions. Nour urged A/S Posner to press the GOE to restore his own personal rights by allowing him to resume his work as an attorney or journalist, travel abroad and sell his assets. Nour thanked A/S Posner for the Department's November 6, 2009 public statement expressing disappointment at the GOE's decision to prevent him from travelling to the U.S.
10. (U) A/S Posner cleared this message.
SCOBEY
SIPDIS
DRL FOR A/S POSNER
FOR NEA, NEA/ELA AND DRL/NESCA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 2035/01/31
TAGS: PREL PGOV PHUM KDEM EG
SUBJECT: A/S POSNER ENGAGES WITH CIVIL SOCIETY, POLITICAL OPPOSITION
REF: CAIRO 64; CAIRO 47; 09 CAIRO 2111; 09 CAIRO 1997; 09 CAIRO 1977
CLASSIFIED BY: Margaret Scobey, Ambassador; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)
1. Key Points:
-- (C) In meetings January 13-14, A/S Posner told activists and opposition politicians that the U.S. is seeking ways to advance human rights and political participation over the coming 12-18 months.
-- (C) Activists urged the U.S. to end a "double standard" on Israeli human rights violations, close Guantanamo and speak out
against GOE repression.
-- (C) Opposition political leaders agreed that prospects for
significant political reform are slim while President Mubarak
remains in office. Most expected Mubarak to be a candidate in
2011, and predicted the military would play a role in succession to
ensure stability.
-- (C) Former Presidential candidate Ayman Nour urged A/S Posner to
press the GOE to stop interfering with opposition political activity, and to allow him to work and travel.
2. (C) A/S Posner told activists the U.S. is interested in how to
advance human rights in Egypt over the next 12-18 months to improve
people's lives. He said the U.S. would pursue a traditional human
rights agenda to address police brutality, restrictions on NGOs,
freedom of expression and assembly problems, sectarian tensions,
and the State of Emergency. Posner noted that the U.S. is engaged
on the coming Egyptian elections, and is working on issues of
observation, participation and training. Posner said that the UN
Human Rights Council focuses disproportionately on Israel. He
described the Goldstone Report as flawed for not being able to
include the Israeli government position, and called for Israeli and
Palestinian domestic investigations into human rights violations
during the Gaza war.
-------------- --------------
Civil Society Recommendations for the U.S.
-------------- --------------
3. (C) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX urged the U.S. to "practice what it preaches" on human rights by closing the Guantanamo Bay prison. Bahgat called on the U.S. to end a "double standard on Israeli human rights violations," and expressed disappointment with the U.S. position on the Goldstone Report, which he asserted "makes it harder for us to
cooperate with you" on human rights. XXXXXXXXXXXX recommended the State Department human rights report assess that the situation in Egypt declined in 2009. XXXXXXXXXXXXX asserted that many Egyptians believe the GOE has interpreted the current administration's relative "silence" on human rights and political issues as a signal of support.
--------------
Activists' Concerns and Criticism
--------------
4. (C)XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX said he was unsure of what current U.S.
CAIRO 00000145 002 OF 003
human rights policy is. He expressed concern over lack of U.S.
public criticism of Syria for human rights violations, and U.S.
support for Yemeni President Saleh while he represses his people.
XXXXXXXXXXXXX expected increasing GOE repression leading up to the 2010 parliamentary and 2011 presidential elections. XXXXXXXXXXXXX said he was initially optimistic when the Forum for the Future was launched that it would strengthen partnerships between Arab governments and civil society. Instead, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX asserted, government-controlled NGOs have dominated the Forum. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX noted that because of this phenomenon, he has not participated in the Forum since 2005.
5. (C) XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX asked what the U.S. would do to
address expectations that fraud would pervade the 2010 and 2011
elections, and that Gamal Mubarak would inherit power from his
father. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX asserted that U.S. support for the GOE encourages it to repress the Egyptian people. He contended that President's Obama June 4 Cairo speech has not
produced "any positive results" in Egypt. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX criticized the President's speech for "equating women throughout the region with each other," instead of recognizing their differences. XXXXXXXXXXXXXX complained that the U.S. denied him entry to the Guantanamo Bay prison to visit a prisoner he was trying to represent. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX also complained that the Guantanamo prison is still open despite President Obama's commitment to close it. XXXXXXXXXXXXX called for the U.S. to urge the GOE to make significant changes to open up political life.
6. (C) Noting widespread dissatisfaction with political leaders on
all sides, XXXXXXXXXXXXXX said the 2010 and 2011 elections represented the only opportunity for change, and pressed
for more immediate action. He called for greater internal and
external pressure on the GOE to increase freedom of assembly and
expression, lift the State of Emergency, improve election
procedures with electronic voting, and allow registration with
national identification cards.
-------------- --------------
Opposition Political Leaders on Egypt's Future
-------------- --------------
7. (C) At a dinner with opposition political party leaders, A/S
Posner asked about prospects for democratic change. Most expected
Mubarak to run in 2011, leaving little room for change. Wafd
President Mahmoud Abaza and Democratic Front President Osama
Al-Ghazali Harb said they were focused on preparing for a
post-Mubarak transition, whenever that may occur. In addition to
their plans to participate in the 2010 parliamentary elections,
opposition party leaders said they are pressing the GOE and the
ruling party for a "national dialogue." The leaders agreed that
the military would play a significant role in any post-Mubarak
scenario, and that constitutional provisions would be secondary to
concerns about internal stability. Leader of the un-registered
Reform and Development Party Anwar El-Sadat asserted that the
military would not support Gamal Mubarak's succession to the
presidency, but that loyalty to President Mubarak kept it from
acting to sideline Gamal now. Abaza called Egypt's military
"apolitical," but predicted the military would to step in to ensure
stability if necessary.
8. (C) Regarding U.S. democracy promotion, the group called for
continued support to civil society and "principled" pressure on the
GOE. However, Sadat noted sensitivities over "outside
interference" in both the regime and opposition camps. Al-Ghad
Party Vice-President Wael Nawara suggested that external criticism
should be matched with primarily economic "incentives" to encourage
the government to commit to concrete democratic reforms.
-------------- --------------
Former Presidential Candidate Ayman Nour
CAIRO 00000145 003 OF 003
-------------- --------------
9. (C) In a separate meeting, Al-Ghad party founder Ayman Nour said
Egyptians were ready for change and seeking leadership. "I'm banned from participating in the coming elections, but I will be part of the political fight," Nour asserted. Nour opined that the GOE's prevention of a liberal alternative to Gamal Mubarak strengthened the Muslim Brotherhood. He underlined the impact of the security services' interference with opposition political activity, and advocated increased U.S. pressure to highlight GOE restrictions. Nour urged A/S Posner to press the GOE to restore his own personal rights by allowing him to resume his work as an attorney or journalist, travel abroad and sell his assets. Nour thanked A/S Posner for the Department's November 6, 2009 public statement expressing disappointment at the GOE's decision to prevent him from travelling to the U.S.
10. (U) A/S Posner cleared this message.
SCOBEY