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2009-05-21 22:19:00
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ARGENTINA: AMBASSADOR THANKS MOJ FOR LAW
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C O N F I D E N T I A L BUENOS AIRES 000602
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/20/2024
TAGS: PREL KTIP SNAR PTER EFIN KCRM AR
SUBJECT: ARGENTINA: AMBASSADOR THANKS MOJ FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND HUMAN RIGHTS COOPERATION IN FAREWELL CALL
REF: A. BUENOS AIRES 599
B. 08 BUENOS AIRES 1705
C. BUENOS AIRES 102
D. BUENOS AIRES 35
Classified By: Ambassador E. Anthony Wayne for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
C O N F I D E N T I A L BUENOS AIRES 000602
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/20/2024
TAGS: PREL KTIP SNAR PTER EFIN KCRM AR
SUBJECT: ARGENTINA: AMBASSADOR THANKS MOJ FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND HUMAN RIGHTS COOPERATION IN FAREWELL CALL
REF: A. BUENOS AIRES 599
B. 08 BUENOS AIRES 1705
C. BUENOS AIRES 102
D. BUENOS AIRES 35
Classified By: Ambassador E. Anthony Wayne for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
1. (C) Summary. On May 20, the Ambassador paid a farewell
call on Minister of Justice Anibal Fernandez and thanked him
for the Ministry of Justice's (MoJ) collaboration in
promoting human rights and addressing international crime,
including drug trafficking, trafficking in persons (TIP),
money laundering, and terrorism finance. The Minister
thanked the Ambassador for the USG's excellent cooperation in
law enforcement issues and noted the progress the Government
of Argentina (GoA) is making in fighting TIP and drugs. He
accepted the Ambassador's offers of additional training
opportunities in the area of bulk cash smuggling and
hostage-taking crisis management as well as proposed
counterdrug bilateral exchanges sponsored by Southern
Command. The Ambassador informed Fernandez that he would
soon sign in a low-profile ceremony with Central Bank
President Redrado an agreement to provide technical
assistance to Argentine regulators, focused on enhancing the
prevention and detection of terrorism finance.
2. (C) After the meeting, the Minister and Ambassador
jointly addressed the press where both underscored the
importance of working together to fight crime. The Minister
also used the press opportunity to defend a recent court
verdict to uphold the ruling Victory Front's (FPV) decision
to run symbolic candidates in the midterm elections. In the
press event, the Ambassador and Minister both made strong
statements against recent anti-Semitic violence (ref A). End
summary.
The GoA Makes Progress Against TIP...
--------------
3. (C) The Ambassador thanked Minister Fernandez for the
excellent human rights cooperation from the MOJ's National
Anti-Discrimination Institute (ref B) and its cooperation in
fighting TIP. He informed the Minister that the Department's
TIP report would be published in June, and that it would
likely note Argentina's progress to date. He said that the
report would also reiterate the need to prosecute, convict,
and sentence those involved in TIP crimes and to provide more
care options for those freed from trafficking situations.
The Ambassador recalled a previous conversation with the
Minister, where Fernandez had indicated that the judicial
sector needed to do more to convict human traffickers. He
offered USG support to assist GoA efforts to strengthen
judicial capacity to convict these crimes.
4. (C) The Ambassador then noted that the Department had
approved a proposal by TIP activist and 2007 International
Woman of Courage Award Winner Susana Trimarco to set up
specialized anti-trafficking units at the provincial level.
Minister Fernandez welcomed the news and asserted that the
MOJ gives Trimarco's anti-TIP foundation 100,000 pesos (about
US$27,000) every two months to pay for the foundation's
victim's assistance programs.
5. (C) Fernandez proudly informed the Ambassador that the
MOJ's specialized TIP units had conducted 177 raids, made 206
arrests, and rescued 287 TIP victims, including 90 minors.
He reiterated the need to train judges on the specifics of
the new anti-TIP law, and recalled a case where a judge tried
to prosecute a TIP victim who had been forced to abort a
child in the brothel where she was exploited.
...but Changing Cultural Attitudes an Uphill Battle
-------------- --------------
6. (C) Fernandez stated that the GoA's TIP public awareness
campaign would begin soon. Fernandez underscored the need to
change cultural attitudes that accept the sexual exploitation
of women and children as normal. He explained that the
sexual exploitation of women has long been glorified in
Argentine tango lyrics, and recalled one song that even
talked about police complicity with brothel owners. The
Minister recounted that in the Interior provinces, some
parents will voluntarily hand over their virgin daughters to
satisfy the demands of landowners.
7. (C) The Ambassador then noted recent press reports that
alleged TIP activity taking place in brothels in the
Kirchners' hometown province of Santa Cruz (reftel).
Fernandez claimed that federal and provincial authorities
were working together to collect criminal intelligence to
crack down on illicit TIP activity taking place in brothels.
Poloff noted that the press quoted provincial authorities
explaining that the brothels serve a purpose for lonely
workers and helped keep the number of rape crimes down. She
added that this suggests a need for greater awareness among
provincial authorities on how TIP and prostitution can
intersect and that prostitution is not the best way to
prevent rape.
8. (C) The Minister argued that the brothels in Santa Cruz
have helped prevent rape. He explained that most of Santa
Cruz's residents emigrated to the province where they work
primarily in the oil and gas industries. He said these
workers ""make a lot of money, and if they do not have a place
to spend the money, they are likely to rape women to satisfy
their desires."" When poloff noted that Argentine federal law
prohibited brothels, the Minister asserted that each province
has the right to decide whether brothels are legal or not,
and that brothels are legal in Santa Cruz. That said, there
should be good regulations of legal brothels to ensure there
is no trafficking underway.
9. (C) The Minister reiterated that the government has an
uphill battle in changing cultural attitudes, particularly in
the interior provinces. He then disclosed to the Ambassador
that he personally believed that the Aleh family, a prominent
family in Tucuman province, was behind the 2003 kidnapping of
Susana Trimarco's daughter, Marita Veron. Fernandez referred
to the Ale patriarch as Argentina's very own ""godfather"" who
in an effort to launder his money from illicit activities is
now President of Tucuman's soccer club, Club Atletico San
Martin. Fernandez said he felt sure they were involved in
the Veron kidnapping, but lamented that he ""can not prove it.""
MOJ Accepts Counternarcotics Training and Exchanges
-------------- --------------
10. (C) The Ambassador thanked the Minister for the MoJ's
continued cooperation to fight drugs. He indicated that
Southern Command officials were interested in visiting
Argentina to meet with their Border Patrol and Coast Guard
counterparts and would like to invite the MoJ to send a
General-equivalent from each of these agencies to visit the
Joint Interagency Counterdrug Task Force in Key West, Florida
and other national counterdrug agencies in Washington, DC.
The Ambassador also offered a training program in managing a
hostage-taking crisis sponsored by the Embassy's Military
Group. The Minister accepted the offers and expressed
appreciation for these types of bilateral exchanges and
training programs.
...but Notes Challenges in Winning the War on Drugs
-------------- --------------
11. (C) Fernandez said that he does ""not want to delude
anyone that the government can win the battle against drugs""
but emphasized the GoA would persist in its efforts. Asked
by the Ambassador about efforts to control precursor
chemicals, Fernandez noted the recent arrest of Mario Roberto
Segovia, the so-called ""king of ephedrine"" and disclosed that
the MoJ is working on a case that would be finalized in the
next 30 days. He pointed to the challenging economics of
controlling drugs. He stated that a ton of ephedrine shipped
to China was worth $50; but a ton of methamphetamines was
worth $50,000 in the United States. He also noted the ease
with which one could convert over-the-counter drugs into
ephedrine. Fernandez said he knew who was producing
precursor chemicals in Argentina, and that producers would
soon have to re-register with the GoA to continue producing.
12. (c) The Minister added that Argentina signed an agreement
with the Bolivian government to enhance coordination to
control precursor chemicals. He claimed that President Evo
Morales was receptive to working together to fight drug
trafficking along Argentina's 720 kilometer border with
Bolivia. The Minister said he knew what company in Salta was
shipping significant quantities of precursor chemicals into
Bolivia for illegal drug processing and would crack down on
it as soon as the new regulations are issued. He claimed
that GOA agencies were now working together well and that MOJ
and the Drug Control agencies were collaborating effectively
on the new regulations. Under the proposed plan, officials
from the Federal Police and the Ministry of Health would both
have to verify all movements of precursor chemicals, he
stated.
13. (C) He also recalled his earlier personal battles with
Jose Ramon Granero, the head of Argentina's Drug Control
agency, SEDRONAR, and Gabriel Aboud, the National Director
for Controlling Precursor Chemicals, calling the latter
""nefarious."" He implicitly criticized Granero's resort to
the press to defend SEDRONAR saying, ""If Granero wants to
talk, great. If not, he should keep his mouth shut.""
Fernandez said he had been behind the move to eliminate
SEDRONAR's former sole authority over the importation of
pre-cursor chemicals, saying that it was now a matter for the
Ministry of Health and the federal police (though SEDRONAR
also participates in the new multi-agency pre-cursor
commission).
MoJ: ""The Year to Fight Money Laundering""
--------------
14. (C) The Ambassador expressed appreciation for the
Minister's support for a new training program on bulk cash
smuggling with a live exercise component. He also noted that
the USG has finalized an agreement with the GoA's Ministry of
Justice, Central Bank, Securities Exchange Commission, and
Insurance Regulator to provide technical assistance to
Argentine regulators, focused on enhancing the prevention and
detection of terrorism finance. The Ambassador explained
that he planned to sign the agreement with Central Bank
President Martin Redrado in a low-profile ceremony.
Fernandez welcomed the assistance, and agreed that the
ceremony should be kept low-profile. He stated that ""this is
the year to fight money laundering."" He indicated that all
government agencies are now required to declare suspicious
activity, and he assured the Ambassador that such activity
would be investigated. He asserted that the GoA will have ""a
strong response"" for the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).
(Comment: We presume he was referring to the FATF mutual
evaluation of Argentina scheduled in October/November of this
year).
Press
--------------
15. (C) After the meeting, the Ambassador and the Minister
gave a joint press conference and fielded questions from
print, television and radio media. Per ref A, both made
strong statements condemning recent anti-Semitic violence in
Buenos Aires. Fernandez said the meeting was an opportunity
to discuss joint cooperation in counternarcotics, TIP,
homeland security. The Ambassador thanked Minister Fernandez
for the MoJ's productive cooperation on law enforcement
issues. He noted that there is still much work to be done to
fight organized crime, and stressed the need for convictions
against criminals. When asked about a court's recent verdict
to uphold the ruling party's decision to run ""symbolic
candidates"" for the upcoming mid-term elections, the Minister
praised and defended the decision, noting the opposition
party's right to appeal. He went on to scold the opposition
for constantly complaining that Argentina's electoral system
is too complicated. Despite opposition claims that voters do
not know how to split ballots, he said, ""voters know how to
vote."" The Ambassador stressed that regular elections are
important to democracy and that Argentines will soon have the
opportunity to vote for the candidates that will represent
their interests best.
Comment
--------------
16. (C) In good times and bad, Minister of Justice Anibal
Fernandez has been one of the most accessible and
forward-leaning member of President Cristina Fernandez de
Kirchner's Cabinet. While other Ministers, such as Defense
Minister Nilda Garre, can be problematic or prickly to work
with, Minister Fernandez has welcomed USG training
initiatives on a wide range of law enforcement topics.
Although Minister Fernandez' high political profile as a
staunch defender of Kirchner interests has generated much
public skepticism about his role on security and justice
issues, the fact remains that law enforcement cooperation
with Argentina's security agencies under his authority has
been productive.
WAYNE
=======================CABLE ENDS============================
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 05/20/2024
TAGS: PREL KTIP SNAR PTER EFIN KCRM AR
SUBJECT: ARGENTINA: AMBASSADOR THANKS MOJ FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND HUMAN RIGHTS COOPERATION IN FAREWELL CALL
REF: A. BUENOS AIRES 599
B. 08 BUENOS AIRES 1705
C. BUENOS AIRES 102
D. BUENOS AIRES 35
Classified By: Ambassador E. Anthony Wayne for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
1. (C) Summary. On May 20, the Ambassador paid a farewell
call on Minister of Justice Anibal Fernandez and thanked him
for the Ministry of Justice's (MoJ) collaboration in
promoting human rights and addressing international crime,
including drug trafficking, trafficking in persons (TIP),
money laundering, and terrorism finance. The Minister
thanked the Ambassador for the USG's excellent cooperation in
law enforcement issues and noted the progress the Government
of Argentina (GoA) is making in fighting TIP and drugs. He
accepted the Ambassador's offers of additional training
opportunities in the area of bulk cash smuggling and
hostage-taking crisis management as well as proposed
counterdrug bilateral exchanges sponsored by Southern
Command. The Ambassador informed Fernandez that he would
soon sign in a low-profile ceremony with Central Bank
President Redrado an agreement to provide technical
assistance to Argentine regulators, focused on enhancing the
prevention and detection of terrorism finance.
2. (C) After the meeting, the Minister and Ambassador
jointly addressed the press where both underscored the
importance of working together to fight crime. The Minister
also used the press opportunity to defend a recent court
verdict to uphold the ruling Victory Front's (FPV) decision
to run symbolic candidates in the midterm elections. In the
press event, the Ambassador and Minister both made strong
statements against recent anti-Semitic violence (ref A). End
summary.
The GoA Makes Progress Against TIP...
--------------
3. (C) The Ambassador thanked Minister Fernandez for the
excellent human rights cooperation from the MOJ's National
Anti-Discrimination Institute (ref B) and its cooperation in
fighting TIP. He informed the Minister that the Department's
TIP report would be published in June, and that it would
likely note Argentina's progress to date. He said that the
report would also reiterate the need to prosecute, convict,
and sentence those involved in TIP crimes and to provide more
care options for those freed from trafficking situations.
The Ambassador recalled a previous conversation with the
Minister, where Fernandez had indicated that the judicial
sector needed to do more to convict human traffickers. He
offered USG support to assist GoA efforts to strengthen
judicial capacity to convict these crimes.
4. (C) The Ambassador then noted that the Department had
approved a proposal by TIP activist and 2007 International
Woman of Courage Award Winner Susana Trimarco to set up
specialized anti-trafficking units at the provincial level.
Minister Fernandez welcomed the news and asserted that the
MOJ gives Trimarco's anti-TIP foundation 100,000 pesos (about
US$27,000) every two months to pay for the foundation's
victim's assistance programs.
5. (C) Fernandez proudly informed the Ambassador that the
MOJ's specialized TIP units had conducted 177 raids, made 206
arrests, and rescued 287 TIP victims, including 90 minors.
He reiterated the need to train judges on the specifics of
the new anti-TIP law, and recalled a case where a judge tried
to prosecute a TIP victim who had been forced to abort a
child in the brothel where she was exploited.
...but Changing Cultural Attitudes an Uphill Battle
-------------- --------------
6. (C) Fernandez stated that the GoA's TIP public awareness
campaign would begin soon. Fernandez underscored the need to
change cultural attitudes that accept the sexual exploitation
of women and children as normal. He explained that the
sexual exploitation of women has long been glorified in
Argentine tango lyrics, and recalled one song that even
talked about police complicity with brothel owners. The
Minister recounted that in the Interior provinces, some
parents will voluntarily hand over their virgin daughters to
satisfy the demands of landowners.
7. (C) The Ambassador then noted recent press reports that
alleged TIP activity taking place in brothels in the
Kirchners' hometown province of Santa Cruz (reftel).
Fernandez claimed that federal and provincial authorities
were working together to collect criminal intelligence to
crack down on illicit TIP activity taking place in brothels.
Poloff noted that the press quoted provincial authorities
explaining that the brothels serve a purpose for lonely
workers and helped keep the number of rape crimes down. She
added that this suggests a need for greater awareness among
provincial authorities on how TIP and prostitution can
intersect and that prostitution is not the best way to
prevent rape.
8. (C) The Minister argued that the brothels in Santa Cruz
have helped prevent rape. He explained that most of Santa
Cruz's residents emigrated to the province where they work
primarily in the oil and gas industries. He said these
workers ""make a lot of money, and if they do not have a place
to spend the money, they are likely to rape women to satisfy
their desires."" When poloff noted that Argentine federal law
prohibited brothels, the Minister asserted that each province
has the right to decide whether brothels are legal or not,
and that brothels are legal in Santa Cruz. That said, there
should be good regulations of legal brothels to ensure there
is no trafficking underway.
9. (C) The Minister reiterated that the government has an
uphill battle in changing cultural attitudes, particularly in
the interior provinces. He then disclosed to the Ambassador
that he personally believed that the Aleh family, a prominent
family in Tucuman province, was behind the 2003 kidnapping of
Susana Trimarco's daughter, Marita Veron. Fernandez referred
to the Ale patriarch as Argentina's very own ""godfather"" who
in an effort to launder his money from illicit activities is
now President of Tucuman's soccer club, Club Atletico San
Martin. Fernandez said he felt sure they were involved in
the Veron kidnapping, but lamented that he ""can not prove it.""
MOJ Accepts Counternarcotics Training and Exchanges
-------------- --------------
10. (C) The Ambassador thanked the Minister for the MoJ's
continued cooperation to fight drugs. He indicated that
Southern Command officials were interested in visiting
Argentina to meet with their Border Patrol and Coast Guard
counterparts and would like to invite the MoJ to send a
General-equivalent from each of these agencies to visit the
Joint Interagency Counterdrug Task Force in Key West, Florida
and other national counterdrug agencies in Washington, DC.
The Ambassador also offered a training program in managing a
hostage-taking crisis sponsored by the Embassy's Military
Group. The Minister accepted the offers and expressed
appreciation for these types of bilateral exchanges and
training programs.
...but Notes Challenges in Winning the War on Drugs
-------------- --------------
11. (C) Fernandez said that he does ""not want to delude
anyone that the government can win the battle against drugs""
but emphasized the GoA would persist in its efforts. Asked
by the Ambassador about efforts to control precursor
chemicals, Fernandez noted the recent arrest of Mario Roberto
Segovia, the so-called ""king of ephedrine"" and disclosed that
the MoJ is working on a case that would be finalized in the
next 30 days. He pointed to the challenging economics of
controlling drugs. He stated that a ton of ephedrine shipped
to China was worth $50; but a ton of methamphetamines was
worth $50,000 in the United States. He also noted the ease
with which one could convert over-the-counter drugs into
ephedrine. Fernandez said he knew who was producing
precursor chemicals in Argentina, and that producers would
soon have to re-register with the GoA to continue producing.
12. (c) The Minister added that Argentina signed an agreement
with the Bolivian government to enhance coordination to
control precursor chemicals. He claimed that President Evo
Morales was receptive to working together to fight drug
trafficking along Argentina's 720 kilometer border with
Bolivia. The Minister said he knew what company in Salta was
shipping significant quantities of precursor chemicals into
Bolivia for illegal drug processing and would crack down on
it as soon as the new regulations are issued. He claimed
that GOA agencies were now working together well and that MOJ
and the Drug Control agencies were collaborating effectively
on the new regulations. Under the proposed plan, officials
from the Federal Police and the Ministry of Health would both
have to verify all movements of precursor chemicals, he
stated.
13. (C) He also recalled his earlier personal battles with
Jose Ramon Granero, the head of Argentina's Drug Control
agency, SEDRONAR, and Gabriel Aboud, the National Director
for Controlling Precursor Chemicals, calling the latter
""nefarious."" He implicitly criticized Granero's resort to
the press to defend SEDRONAR saying, ""If Granero wants to
talk, great. If not, he should keep his mouth shut.""
Fernandez said he had been behind the move to eliminate
SEDRONAR's former sole authority over the importation of
pre-cursor chemicals, saying that it was now a matter for the
Ministry of Health and the federal police (though SEDRONAR
also participates in the new multi-agency pre-cursor
commission).
MoJ: ""The Year to Fight Money Laundering""
--------------
14. (C) The Ambassador expressed appreciation for the
Minister's support for a new training program on bulk cash
smuggling with a live exercise component. He also noted that
the USG has finalized an agreement with the GoA's Ministry of
Justice, Central Bank, Securities Exchange Commission, and
Insurance Regulator to provide technical assistance to
Argentine regulators, focused on enhancing the prevention and
detection of terrorism finance. The Ambassador explained
that he planned to sign the agreement with Central Bank
President Martin Redrado in a low-profile ceremony.
Fernandez welcomed the assistance, and agreed that the
ceremony should be kept low-profile. He stated that ""this is
the year to fight money laundering."" He indicated that all
government agencies are now required to declare suspicious
activity, and he assured the Ambassador that such activity
would be investigated. He asserted that the GoA will have ""a
strong response"" for the Financial Action Task Force (FATF).
(Comment: We presume he was referring to the FATF mutual
evaluation of Argentina scheduled in October/November of this
year).
Press
--------------
15. (C) After the meeting, the Ambassador and the Minister
gave a joint press conference and fielded questions from
print, television and radio media. Per ref A, both made
strong statements condemning recent anti-Semitic violence in
Buenos Aires. Fernandez said the meeting was an opportunity
to discuss joint cooperation in counternarcotics, TIP,
homeland security. The Ambassador thanked Minister Fernandez
for the MoJ's productive cooperation on law enforcement
issues. He noted that there is still much work to be done to
fight organized crime, and stressed the need for convictions
against criminals. When asked about a court's recent verdict
to uphold the ruling party's decision to run ""symbolic
candidates"" for the upcoming mid-term elections, the Minister
praised and defended the decision, noting the opposition
party's right to appeal. He went on to scold the opposition
for constantly complaining that Argentina's electoral system
is too complicated. Despite opposition claims that voters do
not know how to split ballots, he said, ""voters know how to
vote."" The Ambassador stressed that regular elections are
important to democracy and that Argentines will soon have the
opportunity to vote for the candidates that will represent
their interests best.
Comment
--------------
16. (C) In good times and bad, Minister of Justice Anibal
Fernandez has been one of the most accessible and
forward-leaning member of President Cristina Fernandez de
Kirchner's Cabinet. While other Ministers, such as Defense
Minister Nilda Garre, can be problematic or prickly to work
with, Minister Fernandez has welcomed USG training
initiatives on a wide range of law enforcement topics.
Although Minister Fernandez' high political profile as a
staunch defender of Kirchner interests has generated much
public skepticism about his role on security and justice
issues, the fact remains that law enforcement cooperation
with Argentina's security agencies under his authority has
been productive.
WAYNE
=======================CABLE ENDS============================