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09ANKARA337
2009-03-05 08:46:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ankara
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TURKEY STILL PLANS TO MOVE AHEAD WITH BLACK SEA

Tags:  PREL PARM MARR NATO TU 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L ANKARA 000337 

SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/3/2019
TAGS: PREL PARM MARR NATO TU
SUBJECT: TURKEY STILL PLANS TO MOVE AHEAD WITH BLACK SEA
DEFENSE MINISTERIAL, BUT MAY POSTPONE

REF: STATE 19708 (NOTAL)

Classified By: Pol Mil Counselor Anthony Godfrey for reason 1.4 (b,d)

Summary
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C O N F I D E N T I A L ANKARA 000337 SIPDIS E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/3/2019 TAGS: PREL PARM MARR NATO TU SUBJECT: TURKEY STILL PLANS TO MOVE AHEAD WITH BLACK SEA DEFENSE MINISTERIAL, BUT MAY POSTPONE REF: STATE 19708 (NOTAL) Classified By: Pol Mil Counselor Anthony Godfrey for reason 1.4 (b,d) Summary -------------- ¶1. (C) Turkey acknowledges reftel concerns regarding the upcoming Black Sea Defense Ministerial (BSDM),but still believes that establishing a political venue for littoral states would enhance security in the Black Sea. A crowded political calendar may put off this meeting for several months: according to the Ministry of National Defense, Turkey's upcoming local elections and the intense schedule of other international meetings may require the BSDM to be postponed until after June 2009. End Summary. ¶2. (C) We raised reftel talking points with Rear Admiral Hakan Eraydin, Undersecretary of the Ministry of National Defense, and with Deniz Cakar, Head of the MFA's Department of NATO and Euro-Atlantic Infrastructure. Eraydin took our points on board, but did not engage on substance. He did, however, say that it was looking likely that the BSDM would be postponed. Minister Gonul, a long-serving member of PM Erdogan's Justice and Development (AK) Party, had been spending more time than expected out on the campaign trail and might not be able to devote an appropriate amount of time to preparing for the BSDM. Eraydin also cited the crowded schedule of international meetings, and admitted that when compared with upcoming NATO meetings, the BSDM could be seen as a distraction. ¶3. (C) The MFA's Deniz Cakar was not ready to give up on the Ministerial. She claimed to have been working on arranging the meeting since it was first proposed in December 2007 (long before Russia's actions in Georgia, she pointed out). She said that the BSDM should not be seen as a new initiative, but as a political umbrella over existing technical cooperation such as BLACKSEAFOR and Operation Black Sea Harmony. There should be a place, Cakar continued, where the Defense Ministers of littoral states can come together. She acknowledged that all littoral states were members of SEDM, but believed that was not a forum for discussing Black Sea issues. ¶4. (C) We argued that to hold a Ministerial meeting on Black Sea issues and not to raise the most important security events and threats of the past year made no sense. Russia's aggressiveness in the Black Sea should be a serious concern for littoral states; should Russia attend a meeting like the BSDM, it could signal that littoral states had chosen not to impose a political cost for Russia's actions in Georgia in August 2008. Cakar ceded the point, but still thought that there was value in having the ministers meet; while the agenda for this first meeting was already set, perhaps these controversial issues could be raised at a subsequent meeting. Comment -------------- ¶5. (C) It has been Turkey's consistent view since August 2008 that any venue (including the Caucasus Stability and Cooperation Platform and NATO - Russia Council Prepcons) which engages the Russians has value, even if no substance is discussed and even if the discussion might lend legitimacy to Russian positions. It will be difficult, especially so close to the date of the Ministerial, to persuade Turkey that the BSDM is not useful. We will continue to track this issue and will report if a decision to postpone has been taken. Visit Ankara's Classified Web Site at http://www.intelink.sgov.gov/wiki/Portal:Turk ey Jeffrey

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