U.S.-KUWAIT GULF SECURITY DIALOGUE TALKS (MARCH

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SUBJECT: U.S.-KUWAIT GULF SECURITY DIALOGUE TALKS (MARCH
10, 2008)

REF: KUWAIT 0283

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Classified By: CDA Alan G. Misenheimer for reasons 1.4 (b,d)


1. (S/NF) Summary: Kuwait hosted the third round of the
U.S.-Kuwait Gulf Security Dialogue on March 10. During these
discussions, Kuwait condemned Iran's support for terrorism,
reiterated its commitment to engaging Iran diplomatically,
and expressed its support in implementing UNSC resolutions
1737, 1747 and 1803. The GOK asked the USG to do more for
the Palestinians and to press Israel to finalize the peace
process. It also requested greater USG-Kuwait consultations
in developing Iraq policy, but noted its reservations in
disbursing assistance funds due to Iraqi corruption. ASD
Long offered to send a U.S. delegation headed by OSD DASD
Mark Kimmitt to consult with the GOK on Iraq. The GOK claims
that draft counterterrorism legislation is being finalized,
and that former Kuwaiti Guantanamo detainees are being
closely monitored. The GOK lauded its security relationship
with the USG, but has begun purchasing equipment from Russian
vendors. Finally, the GOK continues to take a piecemeal,
uncoordinated, and hardware-centric approach to CEIP and
dismisses the need for an MOU. Kuwait's GSD head of
delegation, National Security Bureau President Shaykh Ahmed
Al-Fahad, failed to show. His deputy, Shaykh Thamer Ali Al
Sabah, proved by comparison to be a poor interlocutor and
less focused and constructive in his approach. End summary.


2. (S/NF) On March 10, Kuwait hosted the third round of the
U.S.-Kuwait Gulf Security Dialogue (GSD) discussions. Kuwait
National Security Bureau (NSB) Vice President Shaykh Thamer
Ali Al Sabah co-chaired the meeting. Acting Assistant
Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs Ambassador

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Stephen Mull and Assistant Secretary of Defense for
International Security Mary Beth Long led the U.S.
delegation. Both sides reiterated their commitment to a
long-term U.S.-Kuwait strategic relationship and agreed to
enhance cooperation on areas of mutual concern. The
delegations issued a joint statement at the conclusion of the
discussions (see para 19).

REGIONAL SECURITY
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Iran
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3. (S/NF) AMB Mull said Iran is the most serious security
threat facing the region, but stressed the USG's commitment
to resolving its differences with the Iranian regime
diplomatically, in concert with our allies. DIA Senior
Defense Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, Bruce
Hardcastle, provided a detailed brief of the current state of
Iran's nuclear program, addressed common misperceptions
concerning November's NIE, and outlined the U.S. view of
Iran's regional and global strategic objectives. Shaykh
Thamer condemned Iran's support for terrorism, reiterated
Kuwait's resolve to pursuing a diplomatic solution to the
nuclear weapons program standoff, and expressed GOK support
in implementing UNSC resolutions 1737, 1747 and 1803. MFA
AMB Ali Al-Sammak said that while the GOK will implement
these resolutions, the GOK doubted their overall
effectiveness. Shaykh Thamer cautioned that Iran is
supporting Al-Qaeda, the Jaish Al-Mahdi and Hamas, and he
called for a mutual strategy to address Iran's influence in
southern Iraq.

Israel/Palestine
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4. (S/NF) NEA DAS Gordon Gray said the Annapolis conference
and recent Presidential visits to the Middle East had given
the Israeli-Palestinian peace process a good foundation for
the coming year. He extended USG appreciation for Kuwait's
Paris Conference pledge of USD 300 million, reiterated the
Fayyad government's need for budgetary support, and he called

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for greater regional support for the peace process. Shaykh
Thamer conveyed GOK appreciation for the USG's two-state
solution policy and its support for special envoy Tony Blair,
but indicated the need for clearer "on the ground" signals.
Thamer also expressed confidence in Palestinian Authority PM
Salam Fayyad, saying he is "the cleanest person with the
money."


5. (S/NF) However, Shaykh Thamer noted the grave humanitarian
situation of Palestinians over the past nine months,
especially in Gaza, and he strongly criticized U.S. support
for Israel. He cautioned that the USG's Israel policy was
undermining its standing in the Islamic world and
characterized U.S. opposition to Israel's settlements policy
as empty rhetoric. MFA Director of the Americas Desk AMB Ali
Al-Sammak said the GOK believed the Olmert government was
sincere in its desire for peace, but was too weak to deliver.
Al-Sammak asked the USG to do more for the Palestinians and
to press Israel to finalize the peace process.

Syria/Lebanon
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6. (S/NF) DAS Gray highlighted Syria's unhelpful role in
Lebanon and encouraged Kuwait not to send a representative to
the Arab League Summit in Damascus this month. He also
called on the GOK to assist the Lebanese Armed Forces and
internal security services in securing their border with
Syria. ASD Long urged Kuwait to isolate Syria with a view to
eventually returning it to the Arab fold. Shaykh Thamer said
that Arab League foreign ministers have called for a quick
presidential election in Lebanon. However, he accused the
USG of contradicting its own call for "no outside
interference" in Lebanese internal affairs. Gray noted that
the U.S. has not publicly endorsed a candidate for the
Lebanese presidency and contrasted USG actions with the SARG,
which consistently assassinates Lebanese political figures.

Kosovo
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7. (S/NF) DAS Gray strongly encouraged the GOK to recognize
Kosovo's independence and asked whether the GOK would issue a
declaration during the March 13-14 Organization of the
Islamic Conference (OIC) meeting in Dakar. Shaykh Thamer
said the OIC would be the perfect venue for this, but did not
specify whether the GOK would recognize Kosovo's independence
at that time.

DEVELOPING A SHARED ASSESSMENT AND AGENDA ON IRAQ
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8. (S/NF) The U.S. delegation explained the military and
political achievements in Iraq over the past year, including
the significant reduction in sectarian violence, the passage
of the 2008 budget, and the law to ease restrictions on
low-ranking former Baath party members. ASD Long advised
that the U.S. would be pursuing a Status of Forces Agreement
with the GOI in the coming months and would soon be entering
into discussions with Iraq on the long-term strategic
framework for U.S. military forces. DAS Gray thanked Kuwait
for agreeing to host the April 22 Iraq Neighbors Conference
and encouraged the GOK to send its ambassador to Baghdad
beforehand. BG Baker echoed this and pointed out that having
other Arab ambassadors in Baghdad would counter Iranian
influence and help return Iraq to the Arab community.


9. (S/NF) Shaykh Thamer was skeptical about the potential
impact of Arab ambassadors in Iraq, but said the GOK would
send its ambassador to Baghdad "shortly." Thamer relayed GOK
distrust for Iraqi President Al-Maliki and requested greater
USG consultations on Iraq. Thamer spoke about upcoming
provincial elections and requested U.S. input on who to
support and influence. ASD Long offered to send a delegation
headed by DOD DAS Mark Kimmitt to consult with the GOK
further on Iraq policy.

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10. (S/NF) Shaykh Thamer cited Kuwait's Madrid pledge of USD
575 million, private Kuwaitis' financial support for
rebuilding mosques in Karbala and Najaf and the GOK's
Humanitarian Operations Center as examples of Kuwait's
material support for Iraq. However, Thamer explained that
the GOK faced great challenges in disbursing foreign
assistance funds for development projects due to GOI
corruption. (Note: Kuwait has disbursed less than USD 21
million of the USD 575 million that it pledged at the Madrid
Conference. End note.) (Comment: Post will continue to
work with the Kuwait Fund for Arab Economic Development,
which administers the GOK,s foreign assistance, and Embassy
Baghdad, to facilitate coordination between the Iraqis and
Kuwaitis on development projects.) On private Kuwaiti
investment in Iraq, Thamer cited the March 12-13 British
Embassy sponsored Basra Investment Conference in Kuwait
(septel),but noted that the GOK has not officially
encouraged greater private sector investment.

COUNTERTERRORISM AND INTERNAL SECURITY
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11. (S/NF) AMB Mull relayed USG concerns over terror
financing in Kuwait and inquired on the status of Kuwaiti CT
efforts, specifically: draft legislation to combat terror
financing, implementation of UNSCR 1267, surveillance of
former GTMO detainees and the creation of a terrorist
rehabilitation program. Shaykh Thamer said draft
counterterrorism legislation is "in its final stages," but
downplayed the effectiveness of legislation in combating
terror finance. He said financiers are using the proceeds
from illegal drug sales overseas to support terror and using
foreign bank accounts to avoid domestic scrutiny. He claimed
cash couriers are now moving funds from Kuwait only in small
denominations. (Note: Post contacts from the Kuwaiti Cabinet
Council and the Central Bank tell us that the draft CTF/AML
law is nearing completion and will be presented to the
Cabinet in the coming weeks. End Comment.)


12. (S/NF) Concerning Islamic charities, Thamer said, "We
know how the money is being spent because now only Kuwaitis
are running their activities in other countries." He
insisted that the GOK has complied with UNSCR 1267 and frozen
the assets of Kuwaiti terrorist facilitators Hamid Al-Ali,
Jaber Al-Jalamah, and Mubarak Al-Bathali, although he claimed
Al-Bathali had not been raising money illegally under Kuwaiti
law. (Note: Post does not believe these individuals' assets
have been frozen (reftel). End note.) Thamer assured the
delegation that KSS is monitoring the former GTMO detainees
and said the GOK has no evidence they will engage in
recidivism. KSS LTC Al-Kandari criticized Saudi Arabia's
terrorist rehabilitation program and said the GOK Ministry of
Islamic Affairs' moderation program is Kuwait's response.
(Note: Awqaf interlocutors have previously told emboffs that
this program is pre-emptive only and does not deal with
individuals once they become terrorists. End note.)

"Our Terrorists Won't Attack Home..."
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13. (S/NF) Note: Thamer claimed that the problem in Kuwait
relates to resident foreigners vice Kuwaitis (which is
untrue). He was contradictory in his remarks, downplaying
terror fundraising as involving only small amounts of money,
citing the lack of threat from homegrown AQ facilitators, but
then expressing concern about a recent spate of bomb threats.
Thamer was critical of the Saudi program of dealing with
terrorists, claiming that it targets only a small number of
extremists, whereas the Kuwait program focuses on the whole
of society. The Kuwaiti "Wasatiya" (Moderation) program is
essentially a marketing program aimed at displaying how
moderate the Kuwaitis are to a foreign audience, as presented
to Washington, London, and Moscow, to date. End note.



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ENHANCED DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES AND COOPERATION
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14. (S/NF) Brigadier Ahmed Al-Rahmani expressed Kuwait's
appreciation for its strategic relationship with the U.S. and
said U.S. military deterrence was important to regional
stability. Shaykh Thamer revealed that Russian
representatives had approached him about buying Russian-made
military equipment, but said he rebuffed the overture. He
speculated that Putin's overture of a new regional paradigm
which would include Iran was an attempt to reintroduce the
Soviet empire to the region. AMB Mull noted that we are not
in strategic competition with Russia in the region and that
we would welcome broader security cooperation in the Gulf
with other international partners, but that the success of
such cooperation would depend on mutual interests and shared
values. Iran's aggressive posture in the region clearly
makes it an unsuitable partner for any multi-lateral approach
to regional security for now. ASD Long agreed and asked
Shaykh Thamer rhetorically who is the more reliable partner
and with whom the GOK wants to be interoperable. (Note:
Separate post sources confirm that Kuwait recently signed a
contract for USD 18 million in Russian arms for its commando
brigade. Russia is aggressively marketing its weapons in
Kuwait, which the GOK is accepting in lieu of Russian debt
payments. End note.)


15. (S/NF) Commenting on individual FMS cases, VADM Miller
relayed that:

-- the Kuwait low altitude air surveillance system was
undergoing confidence testing here in Kuwait;
-- no F-18/Cs or Ds will be available for purchase and the
GOK should consider an alternative solution;
-- DOD is working to expedite Kuwait's AMRAAM purchase
request;
-- DOD will discuss options for Patriot missile upgrades with
the GOK; and
-- DOD has completed site surveys for the Shared Early
Warning System.

CRITICAL ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION (CEIP)
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16. (S/NF) Shaykh Thamer said the GOK does not need an MOU to
establish a CEIP Joint Working Group with the USG, citing
Kuwait's satisfaction with its recent CEIP efforts and GOK
gridlock over designating a lead CEIP agency. Oil Sector
Services Company (OSSCo) Security Manager Abdullah Al-Ajmi
delivered a presentation outlining Kuwaiti progress on
implementing the USG's CEIP recommendations. According to
the presentation, the GOK has fully completed land and
seaside perimeter fence upgrades, installation of perimeter
camera systems, construction of observation towers, and the
purchase of additional patrol vehicles. However, more
complex projects such as the creation of an integrated
Command, Control, Communication, Computers, and Intelligence
(C4I) architecture; improved refinery access control systems;
establishment of a coastal protection force; construction of
breakwaters with installed surveillance equipment; and
deployment of marine security barriers are either still on
the drawing board or contracts have not yet been tendered.
AMB Mull suggested an exchange of letters to formalize
bilateral cooperation with an eye toward continuity through

2009.


17. (S/NF) Comment: The GOK continues to take a piecemeal,
uncoordinated, and hardware-centric approach to CEIP. It has
done little to improve incident response and crisis
management capabilities, or coordination at the planning
level or operational level between oil sector entities and
other government agencies. We should continue to press for a
formal agreement as a means of pressuring the GOK to appoint
a single entity to oversee all GOK CEIP activities. End
comment.


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COUNTER-PROLIFERATION
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18. (S/NF) AMB Mull outlined Proliferation Security
Initiative (PSI) objectives and cited recent examples of its
practical implementation. Shaykh Thamer said the GOK does
not understand or have the capabilities to implement PSI
monitoring requirements and asked the USG to send a
delegation to brief the MFA. Thamer admitted to not knowing
where the GOK stands on ratifying the Chemical Weapons
Convention (CWC) or implementing its supporting legislation,
commenting that this was "all up to Parliament." (Note: The
CWC MOU is currently with the MFA Legal Department for review
and translation. End note.) He also had no input on
Kuwait's stance vis-a-vis the Global Initiative to Combat
Nuclear Terrorism. AMB Mull congratulated the GOK for being
the first Arab country to sign an IAEA nuclear energy
safeguards agreement. Thamer reiterated Kuwait's support for
the IAEA and its intention to investigate developing a
peaceful nuclear energy program.

Comment
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19. (S/NF) NSB President Shaykh Ahmed Al-Fahad Al Sabah was
scheduled to lead the GOK delegation, but failed to appear at
the discussions and offered no excuse for his absence.
Shaykh Thamer Al Sabah, his deputy, proved by comparison to
be a poor interlocutor and less focused and constructive in
his approach. He grandstanded and digressed on Iraq and
Palestine, and he came across as naive or uninformed on other
topics, such as CT or infrastructure protection. End comment.


U.S.-Kuwait Gulf Security Dialogue Joint Statement
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20. (U) Begin text of joint statement:

"Acting Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military
Affairs Ambassador Stephen D. Mull, Assistant Secretary of
Defense Mary Beth Long, and Vice President of Kuwait National
Security Bureau Sheikh Thamer Ali Al Sabah today co-chaired
the third round of the United States-Kuwait Gulf Security
Dialogue (GSD). The talks reflected the mutual U.S.-Kuwaiti
commitment to regional security and cooperation on shared
concerns, including Palestinian-Israeli peace efforts, the
situations in Iraq and Lebanon, Terrorism,
Counterproliferation, and Infrastructure Security.

During today's meetings, Assistant Secretaries Mull and Long
reiterated that the GSD provides a firm example of President
Bush's State of the Union pledge that "We will stand by our
allies, and we will defend our vital interests in the Gulf."
Both sides reaffirmed their respective commitments to the
long-standing U.S.-Kuwaiti strategic relationship, and to
continue cooperation in support of regional peace and
security against emerging threats. They pledged to continue
to work toward the shared goal of a unified, democratic, and
stable Iraq at peace with its neighbors and itself. They
also reiterated their commitment to support
Palestinian-Israeli peace efforts. Kuwait expressed its
appreciation for the efforts exerted by the U.S.
administration for a two state solution and offered its full
support towards reaching that goal.

Both delegations expressed their shared concerns over Iran's
nuclear program and called upon Iran to adhere to the
requirements outlined in UNSCR 1737, 1747 and 1803, and
reaffirmed their commitment to a diplomatic solution. They
also stressed the importance of ending the ongoing political
stalemate in Lebanon by encouraging all parties to play a
positive role and pushing for democratic elections of a new
Lebanese president in accordance with the Arab Initiative.

The United States and the State of Kuwait agreed to expand

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and enhance cooperation on counterproliferation and
counterterrorism issues. Kuwait agreed to consider
participating in future Proliferation Security Initiative
exercises and activities. The United States expressed its
satisfaction with the continuing and productive cooperation
in the field of Critical Energy Infrastructure Protection.
Both sides agreed to increase their bilateral dialogue on
Iraq.

Both delegations expressed their deep satisfaction with the
third round of the GSD, and they look forward to continuing
this important dialogue between the two countries. The next
GSD meeting will take place in Washington, D.C. this Fall."

End text.

Participants
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21. (SBU)

United States:

- Ambassador Stephen D. Mull, Acting Assistant Secretary,
Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Department of State
- Mary Beth Long, Assistant Secretary of Defense for
International Security, Department of Defense
- Gordon Gray, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Near Eastern
Affairs, Department of State
- Alan G. Misenheimer, Charge d'Affaires, U.S. Embassy, Kuwait
- Bruce Hardcastle, Senior Defense Intelligence Analyst,
Middle East, Defense Intelligence Agency
- RADM John Miller, Deputy Director, Policy and Planning
Office, U.S. Central Command, Department of Defense
- BG Robin Rand, Principal Director for Middle East Policy,
Office of the Secretary of Defense, Department of Defense
- BGen Charles Hudson, Chief, Office of Military Cooperation
- Kuwait, U.S. Embassy, Kuwait
- BG Ralph Baker, Deputy Director Political Military Affairs
(J-5) - Middle East, The Joint Staff, Department of Defense
- COL Russell Barnes, Chief, Policy Division, Office of the
Secretary of Defense, Department of Defense

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- LTCOL Reginald O. Robinson, Military Advisor, Bureau of
Political Military Affairs, Department of State
- LTCOL Charles "Tony" Pfaff, Defense Attache, U.S. Embassy,
Kuwait
- Joe Forcier, Chief, Political Military Section, U.S.
Embassy, Kuwait
- Roger Pena, Office of the Secretary of Defense, Department
of Defense
- MAJ Christine Klink, Arabian Peninsula Desk Officer, the
Joint Staff, Department of Defense
- Thomas Rosenberger, Acting Political Counselor, U.S.
Embassy, Kuwait
- Steven Conlon, Acting Economic Counselor, U.S. Embassy,
Kuwait
- Jason Khile, Political Officer, U.S. Embassy, Kuwait

Kuwait:

- Shaykh Thamer Ali Al Sabah, Vice President, National
Security Bureau
- Ambassador Khalid Al-Magahmis, Director of Coordination and
Follow Up, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
- Ambassador Ali Hussain Al-Sammak, Director of the Americas
Desk, Ministry of Foreign Affairs
- Brigadier Younis Al-Bannai, Kuwait Armed Forces Air Defense
Brigade Commander, Kuwait Ministry of Defense
- Brigadier Ahmad Mahmoud Al-Rahmani, Kuwait Armed Forces
Director of Joint Operations, Ministry of Defense
- COL Abdulrahman Al-Hadhoud, Kuwait Ministry of Defense
- COL Mohammad Al-Farsi, Committee on Security Decisions and
Follow Up, Kuwait Council of Ministers
- LTCOL Abdullah Al-Kandari, Director of Counterterrorism,
Kuwait State Security, Ministry of Interior
- Ali Ahmad Al-Obaid, Acting President, Oil Sector Services

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Company, Kuwait Petroleum Corporation
- Abdullah Mohammad Al-Ajmi, Manager of Support Services, Oil
Sector Services Company, Kuwait Petroleum Corporation
- Fahad Al-Dihani, Manager for Health, Safety and
Environment, Kuwait National Petroleum Company
- Shaykh Fawaz Mishaal Al Sabah, Manager of International
Relations, National Security Bureau
- Shakyh Sabah Shamlan Al Sabah, National Security Bureau
- Shaykh Sabah Bader Al Sabah, National Security Bureau
- Shaykh Khaled Al Sabah, National Security Bureau
- Salah Al-Fahad, National Security Bureau
- Abdulaziz Al-Salem, National Security Bureau
- Fawaz Al-Othman, International Relations Department,
National Security Bureau
- Lulu Al-Qattan, International Relations Department,
National Security Bureau


22. (U) The GSD delegation cleared this cable.

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