CODEL REID DISCUSSES IMMIGRATION, SECURITY, AND ECONOMIC COOPERATION WITH PRESIDENT CALDERON

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(C) Senator Harry Reid (D-Nevada),leading a bipartisan Senate delegation, met with Mexican President Felipe Calderon November 29 in Mexico City. The delegation pointed to improving U.S. Mexican relations following Calderon's election. President Calderon called immigration an "economic phenomenon" and asked the delegation to support immigration reform. While the delegation agreed on the need for reform, some members told Calderon that comprehensive reform in the U.S. would not be possible without improved border security. On security, President Calderon described his efforts to fight narcotics traffickers and organized crime, asking for U.S. assistance and cooperation. The Senate delegation agreed noting their support for the recently announced Merida Initiative. The Senate delegation raised the threat of populism to Latin American democracy and prosperity, and called on President Calderon to take a leadership role in the region. Calderon agreed, adding that the best way for Mexico to lead would be to build regional alliances. Responding to Senator Kent Conrad's (D-North Dakota) concern over America's growing trade deficit with Mexico, Calderon suggested that �A;while the U.S overall trade and budget deficits must be reduced, its trade deficit with Mexico was a natural outgrowth of successful NAFTA implementation, and only working together as a regional economic power could the U.S. and Mexico both benefit from their relative comparative advantage and confront the economic threat posed by China and India. End Summary. ¶2. (C) Senator Harry Reid led the delegation which included Senator Thad Cochran (R-Mississippi),Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico),Senator Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota),Senator Byron Dorgan (D-North Dakota),Senator Mike Crapo (R-Idaho), and Senator Robert Menendez (D-New Jersey). The Ambassador accompanied the delegation. Mexican Foreign Secretary Patricia Espinosa and Undersecretary for North America Carlos Rico joined President Calderon. Better Neighbors -------------- ¶3. (C) Calderon opened the meeting saying he believed that U.S.-Mexican relations had improved recently. Senator Reid agreed, pledging to "be better neighbors." He added that he watched the close 2006 Mexican elections with interest, and recalling the period of protests following the elections, noted that Calderon was a stronger leader as a result. Referring to the recent Senate floor debate on immigration reform, Reid said he appreciated President Bush's initiative, adding that the only way to deal with the issue was through comprehensive legislation. He explained that he had tried to achieve consensus in the Senate, but that reform now would have to wait until after the 2008 presidential election. Reid added that he was happy with U.S.-Mexico cooperation on law enforcement in general and efforts to combat drug trafficking in particular and congratulated President Calderon for the resolve he had shown going after the cartels. That resolve paved the way for USG action on the Merida Initiative. Congress's only complaint, one that Senator Reid suggested the Mexican Congress might share, was that it was not consulted more fully on the proposal. Reid looked forward to closer economic links between the U.S. and Mexico, adding that in Nevada, his own state, welcomes significant numbers of Mexican tourists and boasts a large Mexican-American community. Latinos make up 25% of Nevada's population, while Clark County Schools are closer to 40% Hispanic. Reid told Calderon he looked forward to doing anything he could to help. MEXICO 00006049 002 OF 006 ¶4. (C) On immigration, Calderon said he did not want to be President of a country where people were leaving every day. Mexico was losing its best, brightest, strongest, and youngest. Children were losing parents. Calderon explained that in Michoacan, his home state, most little towns were "just old people and kids." More than 400 Mexicans per year were dying while illegally crossing the border. Nevertheless, economic disparities made immigration a natural phenomenon, impossible to stop. The only rational way to deal with it would be to regulate and order it, though he recognized American sensitivities. Calderon's goal was to attract and build companies that would provide opportunities in Mexico. He was committed to structural reform and was working diligently to create incentives fostering development. The Mexican Congress, Calderon added, had already reformed the pension system, and had turned to tax and energy reform. ¶5. (C) Responding to a comment from Senator Reid on Iraq, Calderon said the worst thing the U.S. and Mexico could do would be to make people see each other as enemies. "Mexico may be the last friend of the U.S. in Latin America. It must act more rationally and less emotionally. We share important values." On drug trafficking and organized crime, Calderon said he believed that this situation had improved from the time of his inauguration. Mexico's future, as well as democratic rule was at stake. In one year, he explained, 270 Mexican federal police, and more than 300 local police were killed. Nevertheless, law enforcement officials had made amazing seizures. Police had discovered USD 205 million in cash in one house, and on November 28 destroyed the world's largest single cocaine seizure. ¶6. (C) Calderon believed that instilling respect for the rule of law was the most important condition for Mexico's development as a prosperous nation. It was appropriate and justified to put the government, as well as his own family at risk to accomplish this. Nevertheless, Mexico could not do this alone, and needed American help. Calderon emphasized the cartels were a shared problem-not just Mexico's or just the U.S.'s. ¶7. (C) America's drug consumption was the origin of organized crime in Mexico, but now the cartels were diversifying their activities. They vie for control of local businesses, and have diversified into robbery and kidnapping in several areas of the country. The government, the federal police, army, and navy were fighting hard to rescue several regions and take control again. Mexico and the United States need a common strategy to fight the traffickers. Mexico had the will, but not enough capability or resources. Calderon warned, if both nations fail, the next Mexican President might not believe so strongly in the rule of law, and the border would bring bigger problems for the U.S. ¶8. (C) Reid noted that the delegation was sensitive to the American appetite for illegal products. He was concerned not only about addicts, but the number of American "recreational users." Colombia and Ecuador would not have the problems they do without U.S. users. Both education and enforcement were necessary to combat the traffickers, and though much needed to be done in the hemisphere, "Mexico must be the first step." ¶9. (C) Turning to poverty as a driver of legal and illegal immigration, Reid agreed that help was needed in Mexico to build an economic base so people would not want to leave their families. He suggested that micro-lending may be an appropriate tool to help economic growth. He also noted that the U.S. would likely benefit from helping Mexican farmers change crops as one potential example of the kind of useful assistance the U.S. might provide. A more pressing example of where assistance was needed is Tabasco, which Reid termed "Mexico's Katrina" and said that he was open to Mexican MEXICO 00006049 003 OF 006 requests for assistance. The U.S. in Latin America -------------- ¶10. (C) Reid, motioning to delegation member and Cuban-American, Senator Robert Menendez, told Calderon he believed Hugo Chavez would be "the new Castro." Calderon agreed, noting that Venezuela's oil wealth made the threat significantly different. Reid told Calderon that Colombian President Uribe described his situation with Chavez as "difficult" to the delegation during their meeting the day before, and then Reid suggested that Calderon's own leadership in this region would be necessary to serve as a counterpoint to Chavez. Calderon agreed that the problem with Chavez was serious, but suggested that in order to "lead," Mexico would need to build regional alliances, bolstering its strategic position with Latin American people. ¶11. (C) Reid noted that such a position would be "easier for Mexico than for the U.S.," adding that Mexico could likely work more effectively if the U.S. refrained from acting. Calderon assured Reid that Mexico would not "surrender the region." Given the situation in Nicaragua, Bolivia, Ecuador, and Venezuela, Latin American populists were finding a receptive audience, and the relationship with U.S. was a defining issue. Calderon advised that vilifying another people was "the worst thing the U.S. could do." It was "easy in Mexico to make anti-imperialist speeches against the U.S. Voters would respond. Politicians can blame inflation and other ills on Americans." Anti-Americanism in Mexico is a fact of life. In this respect, Calderon was especially worried about the American Presidential campaigns and the language being used. Mexicans can easily be portrayed by presidential candidates as enemies and "bad people." Under such conditions, any effort by a Mexican President to strengthen Mexico-U.S. cooperation could be seen as surrender. Calderon agreed with Reid that Mexican prosperity was linked to American prosperity and would reduce pressure for immigration, as well as create markets for U.S. products. Calderon encouraged a "friendly border environment." Both sides should work together on common problems such as drug trafficking. Security First -------------- ¶12. (C) Calderon said "Americans want a secure border -- I do too." He added that on November 28, Alberto Capella Ibarra, a civic leader in Tijuana fighting corruption had his house attacked by criminals likely living in San Diego. Organized crime was active on both sides of the border. To solve problem of San Diego-Tijuana or El Paso-Juarez some problems would lie in San Diego or El Paso. ¶13. (C) Mexican officials have already seized 50 tons of cocaine in 2007, significantly higher than historical levels. Calderon feared that the cartels were corrupting American police to smuggle guns and drugs across the border. He called on both sides to reduce impunity at border. To do this, Calderon wanted to have the modern sophisticated equipment necessary to combat border crime and detect the movements of criminals. Cartels had very sophisticated equipment. There was a concentration of gun shops on the U.S. side of the border. Mexican local police used only guns 38 caliber or smaller, and did not carry automatic weapons. Conversely, Mexican police seized 7,767 weapons from criminals in 2007, as well as rocket launchers. Calderon needed to stop weapons traffic to Mexico if he was to challenge the cartels. ¶14. (C) Additionally, Mexico needed non-intrusive mechanisms to detect drugs concealed in cars. As an example, agricultural producers in Sinaloa protested because Mexican law enforcement officials damaged their crops while searching trucks. Gamma ray or x-ray detectors would allow Mexican police to inspect 1 in 5 trucks where they now inspect 1 in ¶100. Guns have been found in U.S. cars bound for Mexico. Calderon felt that with more enforcement the situation would improve. Calderon did not believe drugs should be legalized -- the cartels would simply move to other criminal enterprise. He was afraid Mexico was "losing the window to fight these groups." As a result "this year, we took the initiative and are pushing them against the wall." The Mexican federal budget for security will increase 70% in ¶2008. Senator Reid agreed that U.S. officials "needed to focus on what is going from the U.S. to Mexico." He also praised Ambassador Garza for his efforts. The Immigration Debate -------------- ¶15. (C) Calderon asked the senators what they believed could be done to reduce the tension in the U.S. over immigration. In Mexico, defending what are seen as the human rights of Mexican people has become a national cause, though Calderon recognized right of any country to enforce its laws. How could media and politicians in the U.S. be persuaded to look at the debate from this perspective? ¶16. (C) Senator Crapo noted that Idaho has a strong relationship with Mexico, adding that he supported comprehensive immigration reform, which would be valuable to both countries. The 12 million undocumented Mexicans in the U.S. were the stumbling block. If lawmakers could find agreement on what to do about the status of those already living in America, they could resolve the problem. While people disagree over whether to offer undocumented aliens citizenship, there is common ground. Crapo suggested the compromise may be a legal status short of citizenship. The U.S. also needed a strong guest worker program. ¶17. (C) Senator Conrad told Calderon that he had voted to end the filibuster blocking immigration reform in the Senate, but added that unless the American people believed their government has acted to control the border, lawmakers would not be able to move forward on reform. Controlling the influx of immigrants would take both countries working together, as U.S. jobs remain a huge magnet. To pass an immigration bill, government must convince people we are doing something to stop the influx of immigrants. Without this, it has no credibility. Crapo added that the two issues -- border control and comprehensive immigration reform were a "chicken and egg" question. ¶18. (C) Senator Dorgan raised trade, noting a growing USD 6 billion/month trade deficit with Mexico that could have serious consequence and "already may be affecting the dollar." He believed the U.S. should "get more serious about reciprocal trade agreements, though they need not be perfectly equal." ¶19. (C) Calderon called for a joint strategy against organized crime to improve border security, and reiterated that a strong U.S.-Mexico bilateral relationship would also improve security. He suggested that leaders should explain how this relationship creates better conditions for both nations. Calderon recognized the situation caused by the 12 million undocumented Mexican already living in U.S. He suggested that to discourage new migrants; both countries look at mechanisms to bring back people to Mexico. Calderon believed further development of the Mexican tourism sector offered excellent potential for growth, noting that the administration, making great progress, created a million new jobs in last year in formal sector, a Mexican record. He also noted the advantages of improving guest worker programs, noting how current programs help the U.S. economy. U.S.-Mexico: A Regional Economic Power -------------- ¶20. (C) On the U.S.-Mexico trade deficit, Calderon said the U.S. has huge deficits with the rest of the world and the dollar was decreasing quickly. The American economy needed to overcome deficits to address devaluation of the dollar. Calderon noted that while Mexico did have a trade surplus with respect to the U.S., Mexican exports to the U.S. were growing at only 6% per year compared to Mexican exports to Europe, growing at 27% per year, the Middle East growing at 95% per year, and the rest of Latin America growing at 32% annually. Calderon noted that under these circumstances, Mexico's position vis-a-vis the U.S. was less threatening than other U.S. trading partners. ¶21. (C) Nevertheless, he said, Mexico was natural provider to U.S., not China, and Mexico's prosperity was linked to the U.S. Unlike the U.S. trade deficit with the rest of the world, the trade deficit with Mexico was a natural phenomenon of the complimentary economies. Calderon suggested thinking about regional prosperity, rather than in the U.S. alone. Without closer integration, North America would lose opportunities for prosperity. The North American economy was performing "the worst in the world," losing opportunity to better integrated economies. He suggested comparing North America to the integrated countries of the former Soviet Union, which were growing quickly. ¶22. (C) Calderon warned that without closer regional integration, the U.S. could suffer as England had following the industrial revolution. Looking at the North American economy as a whole in comparative advantage terms; Mexico could provide workers, land, and better conditions for production. American companies were moving to Mexico-looking for just that. Calderon argued that it was better that firms move to Mexico to export to U.S. than move to China, India. He encouraged the Senators to think in terms of the region. ¶23. (C) Senator Conrad countered that U.S. businesses moving to Mexico left unemployment and bitterness in their wake. At the same time, Americans saw Mexicans entering the U.S. illegally and bringing down wages. He believed that closing U.S. businesses were a loss that legislators ignored at their own peril. Senator Reid disagreed, noting that the U.S. would be marginally better off if companies moved to Mexico versus moving to China or India. The relocation was happening, and the governments should do what they could to direct departing firms to Mexico. ¶24. (C) President Calderon suggested Mexico and the U.S. look at the impact of trade under NAFTA. Tradable goods exports in both the U.S. and Mexico have increased since NAFTA implementation in 1994. Calderon added that the American economy registered its best performance following NAFTA's implementation. Senator Conrad insisted that there was risk in our current economic course. Quoting Robert Rubin, Conrad saw a threat to U.S. economic strength, because of the large external financing required by trade deficits. ¶25. (C) Calderon agreed citing performance of the American economy under President Reagan. Large U.S. budget deficits as a result of defense expenditures provoked an increase in interest rates. This in turn had caused debt crisis in Mexico. America then reduced its budget deficit to zero, which reduced interest rates, which in turn reduced the U.S.'s overall trade deficit. ¶26. (C) On regional integration, Calderon argued businesses would move to locations where they are likely to profit the most; China was quite competitive in this regard. The U.S. and Mexico together must provide competitive conditions in the region to counter this. Neither country could prosper by closing its economy. Calderon wanted the American people to see Mexican people as partners. If the U.S. and Mexico do not create a competitive region, opportunity will go elsewhere. Comment -------------- ¶27. (C) President Calderon, with his graduate degree in economics sees the interrelated issues of immigration, security, and growth in economic terms. Despite polemics and heated debate over these issues in both the U.S. and Mexican press, Calderon and the Senate Delegation held an useful, dispassionate discussion that lasted twice as long as scheduled and delved into the factors behind the issues. End Comment. ¶28. (U) This message has been cleared by Sen. Reid's delegation. 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