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07LIMA2318
2007-07-06 19:15:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Lima
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POLITICAL MILITARY BILATERAL DISCUSSIONS: DAY TWO
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C O N F I D E N T I A L LIMA 002318
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/24/2016
TAGS: PGOV PINR PHUM PREL PE
SUBJECT: POLITICAL MILITARY BILATERAL DISCUSSIONS: DAY TWO
REF: LIMA 0046
Classified By: A/POL David W. Boyle, for Reasons 1.4 (c,d)
C O N F I D E N T I A L LIMA 002318
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/24/2016
TAGS: PGOV PINR PHUM PREL PE
SUBJECT: POLITICAL MILITARY BILATERAL DISCUSSIONS: DAY TWO
REF: LIMA 0046
Classified By: A/POL David W. Boyle, for Reasons 1.4 (c,d)
1. (SBU) Summary: The second day of the first ever US-Peru
political military talks focused on technical matters related
to the possible resumption of US P-3 surveillance flights and
on a Peruvian request to receive crew lists in advance of US
Navy ship visits. Peru's representatives stressed their
concern that P-3 flights, which would originate at an
airstrip near Ecuador, could complicate relations with Quito.
Both sides emphasized their willingness to find common
ground on this and other issues, and the positive atmosphere
established on the first day carried over into the second.
End Summary.
2. (SBU) The second day of the bilateral political military
talks held on June 27 were led on the Peruvian side by
Director General Dora Salazar, from the MOD's office of drug
control, and Augusto Freyre and Alejandro Ugarte from the
MOD's office of Security and Defense Affairs. Military
experts from the Peruvian Army, Navy and Air Force also
attended. The US delegation included Embassy officials and
representatives from the Office of the Secretary of Defense
(OSD) and the US Southern Command (SOUTHCOM).
3. (C) The Peruvian delegation noted issues that need
resolution in order to resume US P-3 counter-narcotics
surveillance flights, which would originate at a Peruvian
military installation in Piura, Peru. Key points raised were:
-- Territorial Jurisdiction
Salazar said Peru must give Ecuador advanced notice of
flights crossing Ecuadorian waters. Piura's close proximity
to Ecuador means flights departing Piura would reach the
Ecuadorian border within minutes, and Peru, in her words,
"does not want to leave Ecuador surprised by any actions."
The Peruvian team also noted the need for public affairs
management of the matter since the resumption of flights
could lead some members of the Peruvian public to conclude
that the US had swapped a base in Manta, Ecuador for a base
in Piura.
OSD representatives assured the GOP that US did not intend to
complicate Peruvian international relations and that
territorial jurisdiction is an issue that has been addressed
-- and resolved -- in other agreements. OSD representatives
also noted that the USG was working on a response to the 11
points raised by Peru in April regarding P-3 flights.
-- Insurance
Salzar asked if Peruvian personnel on P-3 flights could
receive life insurance funded by the USG. Salazar said
precedent exists for such coverage, and she said that that
under Peruvian law, servicemen who board foreign aircraft are
not eligible for GOP-funded life insurance coverage.
The SOUTHCOM representatives said the US does not insure
foreigners on its aircraft, but asked the Peruvians to
research the cost of such coverage. In the meantime, the US
would investigate how host rider policies are obtained in
other nations. The US team suggested the issue could best be
addressed in subsequent talks.
-- Food and Lodging
MOD officials asked if Peruvians participating in the flights
would be eligible to receive food and lodging funded by the
USG. SOUTHCOM representatives said the issue could be
reviewed in another forum.
4. (C) Minister Freyre provided background to Peru's request
to receive crew lists in advance of ship visits. He
explained that Peruvian law requires that visits by foreign
serviceman carrying arms be approved by the Peruvian
Congress, a process that takes 45 days. The U.S. team said it
would explore the possibility of making an annual submission
of crew lists to meet Peruvian legal requirements.
5. (SBU) Comment: Both the U.S. and Peruvian teams recognized
that details regarding possible P-3 flights and US Navy ship
visits will require additional negotiations, and both sides
expressed their willingness to find compromises on remaining
points of contention. Post appreciates the participation of
PM, OSD, and Southcom representatives in the talks and
believes that progress was made in clarifying areas of mutual
concern and in creating working partnerships with Peruvian
counterparts. End Comment
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SIPDIS
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/24/2016
TAGS: PGOV PINR PHUM PREL PE
SUBJECT: POLITICAL MILITARY BILATERAL DISCUSSIONS: DAY TWO
REF: LIMA 0046
Classified By: A/POL David W. Boyle, for Reasons 1.4 (c,d)
1. (SBU) Summary: The second day of the first ever US-Peru
political military talks focused on technical matters related
to the possible resumption of US P-3 surveillance flights and
on a Peruvian request to receive crew lists in advance of US
Navy ship visits. Peru's representatives stressed their
concern that P-3 flights, which would originate at an
airstrip near Ecuador, could complicate relations with Quito.
Both sides emphasized their willingness to find common
ground on this and other issues, and the positive atmosphere
established on the first day carried over into the second.
End Summary.
2. (SBU) The second day of the bilateral political military
talks held on June 27 were led on the Peruvian side by
Director General Dora Salazar, from the MOD's office of drug
control, and Augusto Freyre and Alejandro Ugarte from the
MOD's office of Security and Defense Affairs. Military
experts from the Peruvian Army, Navy and Air Force also
attended. The US delegation included Embassy officials and
representatives from the Office of the Secretary of Defense
(OSD) and the US Southern Command (SOUTHCOM).
3. (C) The Peruvian delegation noted issues that need
resolution in order to resume US P-3 counter-narcotics
surveillance flights, which would originate at a Peruvian
military installation in Piura, Peru. Key points raised were:
-- Territorial Jurisdiction
Salazar said Peru must give Ecuador advanced notice of
flights crossing Ecuadorian waters. Piura's close proximity
to Ecuador means flights departing Piura would reach the
Ecuadorian border within minutes, and Peru, in her words,
"does not want to leave Ecuador surprised by any actions."
The Peruvian team also noted the need for public affairs
management of the matter since the resumption of flights
could lead some members of the Peruvian public to conclude
that the US had swapped a base in Manta, Ecuador for a base
in Piura.
OSD representatives assured the GOP that US did not intend to
complicate Peruvian international relations and that
territorial jurisdiction is an issue that has been addressed
-- and resolved -- in other agreements. OSD representatives
also noted that the USG was working on a response to the 11
points raised by Peru in April regarding P-3 flights.
-- Insurance
Salzar asked if Peruvian personnel on P-3 flights could
receive life insurance funded by the USG. Salazar said
precedent exists for such coverage, and she said that that
under Peruvian law, servicemen who board foreign aircraft are
not eligible for GOP-funded life insurance coverage.
The SOUTHCOM representatives said the US does not insure
foreigners on its aircraft, but asked the Peruvians to
research the cost of such coverage. In the meantime, the US
would investigate how host rider policies are obtained in
other nations. The US team suggested the issue could best be
addressed in subsequent talks.
-- Food and Lodging
MOD officials asked if Peruvians participating in the flights
would be eligible to receive food and lodging funded by the
USG. SOUTHCOM representatives said the issue could be
reviewed in another forum.
4. (C) Minister Freyre provided background to Peru's request
to receive crew lists in advance of ship visits. He
explained that Peruvian law requires that visits by foreign
serviceman carrying arms be approved by the Peruvian
Congress, a process that takes 45 days. The U.S. team said it
would explore the possibility of making an annual submission
of crew lists to meet Peruvian legal requirements.
5. (SBU) Comment: Both the U.S. and Peruvian teams recognized
that details regarding possible P-3 flights and US Navy ship
visits will require additional negotiations, and both sides
expressed their willingness to find compromises on remaining
points of contention. Post appreciates the participation of
PM, OSD, and Southcom representatives in the talks and
believes that progress was made in clarifying areas of mutual
concern and in creating working partnerships with Peruvian
counterparts. End Comment
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