Identifier
Created
Classification
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04ROME1681
2004-04-29 08:25:00
SECRET
Embassy Rome
Cable title:
PREVENTING TRAVEL TO POSSIBLE KONGRA-GEL
how-toP 290825Z APR 04 FM AMEMBASSY ROME TO SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 5379 INFO EU MEMBER STATES COLLECTIVE PRIORITY AMEMBASSY AMMAN PRIORITY AMEMBASSY ANKARA PRIORITY AMEMBASSY DAMASCUS PRIORITY AMEMBASSY KUWAIT PRIORITY AMEMBASSY RIYADH PRIORITY AMCONSUL ISTANBUL PRIORITY
S E C R E T ROME 001681
E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/29/2008
TAGS: PTER EUN TU IT
SUBJECT: PREVENTING TRAVEL TO POSSIBLE KONGRA-GEL
CONFERENCE: ITALIAN RESPONSE
REF: A. STATE 89155
B. 03 ROME 5175
CLASSIFIED BY: ECONOMIC COUNSELOR KATHLEEN REDDY FOR REASONS 1.5 (B,D)
S E C R E T ROME 001681
E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/29/2008
TAGS: PTER EUN TU IT
SUBJECT: PREVENTING TRAVEL TO POSSIBLE KONGRA-GEL
CONFERENCE: ITALIAN RESPONSE
REF: A. STATE 89155
B. 03 ROME 5175
CLASSIFIED BY: ECONOMIC COUNSELOR KATHLEEN REDDY FOR REASONS 1.5 (B,D)
1. (S) INFORMATION IN REFTEL WAS SHARED APRIL 27 WITH PAOLO
VAIRA OF THE MFA'S COUNTER-TERRORISM OFFICE. VAIRA AND THE
DIRECTOR OF THE COUNTER-TERRORISM OFFICE, GIAMPAOLO CANTINI,
ALREADY HAD SEEN A COPY OF THE U.S. DEMARCHE, WHICH HAD BEEN
TRANSMITTED BY THE EU COMMISSION - JIM CLOOS - TO MEMBERS OF
THE COREPER. (NEITHER CANTINI NOR VAIRA WAS AVAILABLE FOR A
MEETING WITH US PRIOR TO APRIL 27.)
2. (S) VAIRA SAID THAT THE GOI ACUTELY UNDERSTOOD THE
IMPORTANCE OF PREVENTING KONGRA GEL MEMBERS FROM TRAVELING,
ESPECIALLY TO IRAQ. WHILE EU CLEARINGHOUSE DECISIONS PERMIT
BOTH ASSET FREEZING AND A TRAVEL BAN, IN PRACTICALITY,
RESTRICTING THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE CAN BE MORE DIFFICULT THAN
FREEZING FUNDS, VAIRA NOTED. IN RESPONSE TO THE U.S.
DEMARCHE, THE ABSENCE OF SPECIFIC NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS AND
IDENTIFYING DATA WOULD MAKE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS IMPOSSIBLE,
HE SAID. THE U.S. DEMARCHE DOES APPROPRIATELY RAISE THE
ISSUE OF HOW TO RESTRICT TRAVEL WITHIN, AND FROM, EU
COUNTRIES, PARTICULARLY IN SCHENGEN COUNTRIES, OF INDIVIDUALS
BELONGING TO LISTED TERRORIST GROUPS. THE GOI FACED THE ISSUE
DIRECTLY WITH THE TRAVEL OF YOUSSEF NADA AND AHMED NASREDDIN,
WHO ARE LISTED IN U.N. TERRORIST LISTS, VAIRA REMARKED (REF
B).
VISIT ROME'S CLASSIFIED WEBSITE:
HTTP://WWW.STATE.SGOV.GOV/P/EUR/ROME/INDEX.CF M
SEMBLER
E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/29/2008
TAGS: PTER EUN TU IT
SUBJECT: PREVENTING TRAVEL TO POSSIBLE KONGRA-GEL
CONFERENCE: ITALIAN RESPONSE
REF: A. STATE 89155
B. 03 ROME 5175
CLASSIFIED BY: ECONOMIC COUNSELOR KATHLEEN REDDY FOR REASONS 1.5 (B,D)
1. (S) INFORMATION IN REFTEL WAS SHARED APRIL 27 WITH PAOLO
VAIRA OF THE MFA'S COUNTER-TERRORISM OFFICE. VAIRA AND THE
DIRECTOR OF THE COUNTER-TERRORISM OFFICE, GIAMPAOLO CANTINI,
ALREADY HAD SEEN A COPY OF THE U.S. DEMARCHE, WHICH HAD BEEN
TRANSMITTED BY THE EU COMMISSION - JIM CLOOS - TO MEMBERS OF
THE COREPER. (NEITHER CANTINI NOR VAIRA WAS AVAILABLE FOR A
MEETING WITH US PRIOR TO APRIL 27.)
2. (S) VAIRA SAID THAT THE GOI ACUTELY UNDERSTOOD THE
IMPORTANCE OF PREVENTING KONGRA GEL MEMBERS FROM TRAVELING,
ESPECIALLY TO IRAQ. WHILE EU CLEARINGHOUSE DECISIONS PERMIT
BOTH ASSET FREEZING AND A TRAVEL BAN, IN PRACTICALITY,
RESTRICTING THE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE CAN BE MORE DIFFICULT THAN
FREEZING FUNDS, VAIRA NOTED. IN RESPONSE TO THE U.S.
DEMARCHE, THE ABSENCE OF SPECIFIC NAMES OF INDIVIDUALS AND
IDENTIFYING DATA WOULD MAKE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS IMPOSSIBLE,
HE SAID. THE U.S. DEMARCHE DOES APPROPRIATELY RAISE THE
ISSUE OF HOW TO RESTRICT TRAVEL WITHIN, AND FROM, EU
COUNTRIES, PARTICULARLY IN SCHENGEN COUNTRIES, OF INDIVIDUALS
BELONGING TO LISTED TERRORIST GROUPS. THE GOI FACED THE ISSUE
DIRECTLY WITH THE TRAVEL OF YOUSSEF NADA AND AHMED NASREDDIN,
WHO ARE LISTED IN U.N. TERRORIST LISTS, VAIRA REMARKED (REF
B).
VISIT ROME'S CLASSIFIED WEBSITE:
HTTP://WWW.STATE.SGOV.GOV/P/EUR/ROME/INDEX.CF M
SEMBLER