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04NEWDELHI7755
2004-12-08 13:40:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy New Delhi
Cable title:
PROPOSED BUS SERVICE STALLED BY DOCUMENT DISPUTE; RAIL LINK MOVING SLOWLY
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 NEW DELHI 007755
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/09/2014
TAGS: PREL ECPS IN PK INDO PAK
SUBJECT: PROPOSED BUS SERVICE STALLED BY DOCUMENT DISPUTE; RAIL LINK MOVING SLOWLY
REF: NEW DELHI 5796
Classified By: PolCouns Geoff Pyatt, Reasons 1.4 (B,D).
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 NEW DELHI 007755
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/09/2014
TAGS: PREL ECPS IN PK INDO PAK
SUBJECT: PROPOSED BUS SERVICE STALLED BY DOCUMENT DISPUTE; RAIL LINK MOVING SLOWLY
REF: NEW DELHI 5796
Classified By: PolCouns Geoff Pyatt, Reasons 1.4 (B,D).
1. (C) Summary: The December 7-8 talks in New Delhi on beginning a bus service between the two parts of Kashmir made no progress after the governments failed to break the impasse over documentation and modalities for crossing the LOC. Each side offered what they termed compromise solutions, but none were mutually acceptable. Demonstrating continued political-level commitment to Indo-Pak rapprochement, the GOI embraced a proposal for LOC-crossing certificates that first surfaced in the Track-II ""Neemrana"" dialogue. Commenting that India favored opening the road largely for economic reasons, a member of the GOI delegation told D/Polcouns that it became evident during the meeting that Islamabad would not agree to any mechanism that could allow the LOC to become a de facto border. The December 2-3 meeting on the proposed Munnabao-Khokhrapar train connection was only slightly more successful, in that both sides agreed to open links, but not on a timeframe to do so. New Delhi complains that Islamabad is demanding unnecessary infrastructure changes that will drag out the rail link for at least three years, and cites this as evidence of GOP opposition to people-to-people links.
Five working-level sessions remain before the two Foreign Secretaries meet in Islamabad on December 27-28 to review
SIPDIS Round 2 of Composite Dialogue talks. End Summary.
Deadlocked by Document Dispute
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2. (C) Despite recent public comments by NSA Dixit and Foreign Ministers Natwar Singh and Kasuri that the proposed Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service would start ""soon,"" observers in New Delhi were not surprised when the December 7-8 talks in New Delhi on the technical aspects of such a service failed to yield results over documents required for crossing the LOC (reftel). The GOI dropped its past insistence for visas, suggesting instead a separate entry certificate issued by the respective High Commissions, but wanted passports as a form of identification for issuance of this document. New Delhi also conceded that the entry permit, and not the passport, would be stamped at crossing, and also offered that the permits could be issued at stations set up in J&K to remove the hardship of Kashmiris having to journey to New Delhi for documentation. The Pakistanis responded that the use of passports for identification was inconsistent with their characterization of Kashmir as a ""disputed territory"" and insisted (according to the Indian government) that this service be available only to ""Kashmiris"" (without elaborating how to define this population). No date was set for resumption of talks on this issue although we expect it to be addressed in the next session of the Dixit-Aziz ""back-channel.""
3. (C) J&K Resident Commissioner Parvez Dewan (protect) told D/Polcouns on December 8 that the meeting was cordial and friendly, but observed that Pakistan had made no comparable compromises. The sides met for about two hours on December 7, and for only a few minutes on December 8, on the grounds that it made no sense to resume talks given the impasse. He said Islamabad had refused to accept the use of any passports at all, because that would endow the LOC with the legal status of a border, which Pakistan adamantly opposes.
Commenting that India was eager to open the road for economic reasons, Dewan called Pakistani proposals to use UN documents as in the case of Cyprus and Red Cross certificates as in the case of Korea ""unacceptable."" The Pakistani High Commission confirmed to us that the GOI turned down these two models -- as well as a restoration of the pre-1953 ""Rahdari"" system by which travelers used documents issued by local officials on both sides of the LOC -- as ""not applicable in the context of J&K."" All-Parties Hurriyat Conference leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq told us December 8 that he was partial to the Rahdari system.
4. (C) Indian media were quick to claim that the GOP came to New Delhi intending to keep the discussion ""political"" as opposed to ""technical."" Journalists noted that three of the four members of the Pakistani delegation were from the Foreign Ministry, while their nine Indian interlocutors were led by a Joint Secretary in the Transport Ministry and included members from the Foreign and Home Ministries and the J&K government, which suggested the GOI was prepared to address specific details.
Who Travels on Which Transport Company
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5. (C) Discussion further bogged down over who would be permitted to travel on the bus. New Delhi sought to treat the service as any other public conveyance and allow all Indian citizens access, which would reinforce its position on passports as identity documents. Islamabad, in contrast, wanted the bus to carry only residents of Kashmir. The prospect of non-Kashmiris crossing the LOC raised the likelihood that passports, and not documents issued in Kashmir, would be required. Dewan added that Islamabad called for a national bus company to be the carrier, because it did not wish the J&K Road Transport Company to travel between the two sides, commenting that this was impossible, because all of India's bus companies are state level. This was only one of the ""red herrings"" the Pakistani delegation introduced into the talks, he stated. (The current Delhi-Lahore bus is operated by the respective state transport companies.)
Infrastructure Problems Also Remain
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6. (U) Analysts pointed out that even if an agreement on the political and technical aspects of the bus service were hammered out, it would take months to refurbish the currently unused road that transits the LOC. Laborers are reportedly working overtime to complete repairs to the Indian side of the road, which even military vehicles cannot currently traverse. Meanwhile, the bridge that actually crosses the LOC faces at least four months of repair work, and its location straddling the LOC will undoubtedly complicate the process, according to J&K-based journalists.
Other Roads Won't Open
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7. (C) The lack of agreement over travel documents continues the impasse over what could become a network of cross-LOC transport connections. In recent weeks the GOI has proposed buses running Kargil-Skardu, Poonch-Mirpur, and Jammu-Sialkot routes, but the deadlock over documents will hamstring progress on all these CBMs.
Side Proposal for Kashmiris Floated
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8. (C) Separately, ""Asian Age"" reported on December 7 that the GOI had put forward an idea for designated points along the LOC where divided Kashmiri families could meet on a regular schedule. This would be a marked improvement over the current practice of families arriving at their respective sides of the LOC and calling to each other from across a river or check-point.
Proposed Train Link Gathering a Little Steam
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9. (C) The December 2-3 talks in Islamabad on the proposed Munnabao-Khokhrapar rail link connecting Rajasthan and Sindh were more successful, with the delegations announcing on December 3 that they had agreed to an ""early resumption of the rail link"" and to replace and refurbish the rail infrastructure. The agreement remained hampered, however, by Islamabad's estimate of ""two to three years"" to lay new gauge track to accommodate such rail service. This represented a significant delay over Natwar Singh's recent pronouncement that this southern Indo-Pak land crossing could commence business by October 2005 -- which the GOI says would be possible if the two sides stuck to the current meter gauge system.
Remaining Composite Dialogue Discussions
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10. (U) The below schedule for the remaining meetings in Round 2 of the Composite Dialogue reflects the rescheduling of the anti-narcotics and Foreign Secretaries meetings:
December 9-10 (New Delhi): Meeting of the Committee of Experts regarding trade issues.
December 13-14 (New Delhi): Meetings between narcotics control authorities.
December 14-15 (Karachi): Joint survey of the boundary pillars in the horizontal section of the Sir Creek area.
December 14-15 (Islamabad): Expert-level meeting on nuclear CBMs, including discussion on a draft agreement for prior notification of missile tests.
December 15-16 (Islamabad): Expert-level meeting on conventional CBMs.
December 27-28 (Islamabad): Foreign Secretaries meeting to review issues discussed this month and to set a schedule for another round of talks, possibly to begin in February 2005.
Comment
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11. (C) As NSA Dixit confirmed to the Ambassador on December 7 (reftel),PM Manmohan Singh remains personally committed to opening the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad road, but it will not become a reality until both sides climb down further from their positions. This will require engagement at the political level on both sides, although there are voices in the GOI that are calling for India now to call Pakistan's bluff and agree to its demands. The MEA, in particular, is concerned that Islamabad opposes new connections between the two sides of Kashmir because this would tend to deflate the jihadist movement. The issue of bus and rail service may arise again at the December 27-28 Foreign Secretaries talks in Islamabad or in the Dixit-Aziz back-channel, but the enduring deadlock over documents for cross-LOC travel is inextricably linked to each nation's views on Kashmir, and compromise will be difficult. This will delay further the large number of Kashmiris who wish to travel across the LOC for family, tourism, and economic reasons.
12. (C) As the Composite Dialogue continues, it is becoming increasingly difficult to avoid the conclusion that Pakistan is holding concrete progress on important CBMs hostage to Indian concessions on Kashmir. Atmospherics in India remain remarkably positive, but the intrinsically zero-sum nature of Kashmir is preventing the CD from living up to its potential to build new constituencies for peace and reduce the risk of renewed crisis.
MULFORD
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/09/2014
TAGS: PREL ECPS IN PK INDO PAK
SUBJECT: PROPOSED BUS SERVICE STALLED BY DOCUMENT DISPUTE; RAIL LINK MOVING SLOWLY
REF: NEW DELHI 5796
Classified By: PolCouns Geoff Pyatt, Reasons 1.4 (B,D).
1. (C) Summary: The December 7-8 talks in New Delhi on beginning a bus service between the two parts of Kashmir made no progress after the governments failed to break the impasse over documentation and modalities for crossing the LOC. Each side offered what they termed compromise solutions, but none were mutually acceptable. Demonstrating continued political-level commitment to Indo-Pak rapprochement, the GOI embraced a proposal for LOC-crossing certificates that first surfaced in the Track-II ""Neemrana"" dialogue. Commenting that India favored opening the road largely for economic reasons, a member of the GOI delegation told D/Polcouns that it became evident during the meeting that Islamabad would not agree to any mechanism that could allow the LOC to become a de facto border. The December 2-3 meeting on the proposed Munnabao-Khokhrapar train connection was only slightly more successful, in that both sides agreed to open links, but not on a timeframe to do so. New Delhi complains that Islamabad is demanding unnecessary infrastructure changes that will drag out the rail link for at least three years, and cites this as evidence of GOP opposition to people-to-people links.
Five working-level sessions remain before the two Foreign Secretaries meet in Islamabad on December 27-28 to review
SIPDIS Round 2 of Composite Dialogue talks. End Summary.
Deadlocked by Document Dispute
--------------
2. (C) Despite recent public comments by NSA Dixit and Foreign Ministers Natwar Singh and Kasuri that the proposed Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service would start ""soon,"" observers in New Delhi were not surprised when the December 7-8 talks in New Delhi on the technical aspects of such a service failed to yield results over documents required for crossing the LOC (reftel). The GOI dropped its past insistence for visas, suggesting instead a separate entry certificate issued by the respective High Commissions, but wanted passports as a form of identification for issuance of this document. New Delhi also conceded that the entry permit, and not the passport, would be stamped at crossing, and also offered that the permits could be issued at stations set up in J&K to remove the hardship of Kashmiris having to journey to New Delhi for documentation. The Pakistanis responded that the use of passports for identification was inconsistent with their characterization of Kashmir as a ""disputed territory"" and insisted (according to the Indian government) that this service be available only to ""Kashmiris"" (without elaborating how to define this population). No date was set for resumption of talks on this issue although we expect it to be addressed in the next session of the Dixit-Aziz ""back-channel.""
3. (C) J&K Resident Commissioner Parvez Dewan (protect) told D/Polcouns on December 8 that the meeting was cordial and friendly, but observed that Pakistan had made no comparable compromises. The sides met for about two hours on December 7, and for only a few minutes on December 8, on the grounds that it made no sense to resume talks given the impasse. He said Islamabad had refused to accept the use of any passports at all, because that would endow the LOC with the legal status of a border, which Pakistan adamantly opposes.
Commenting that India was eager to open the road for economic reasons, Dewan called Pakistani proposals to use UN documents as in the case of Cyprus and Red Cross certificates as in the case of Korea ""unacceptable."" The Pakistani High Commission confirmed to us that the GOI turned down these two models -- as well as a restoration of the pre-1953 ""Rahdari"" system by which travelers used documents issued by local officials on both sides of the LOC -- as ""not applicable in the context of J&K."" All-Parties Hurriyat Conference leader Mirwaiz Umar Farooq told us December 8 that he was partial to the Rahdari system.
4. (C) Indian media were quick to claim that the GOP came to New Delhi intending to keep the discussion ""political"" as opposed to ""technical."" Journalists noted that three of the four members of the Pakistani delegation were from the Foreign Ministry, while their nine Indian interlocutors were led by a Joint Secretary in the Transport Ministry and included members from the Foreign and Home Ministries and the J&K government, which suggested the GOI was prepared to address specific details.
Who Travels on Which Transport Company
--------------
5. (C) Discussion further bogged down over who would be permitted to travel on the bus. New Delhi sought to treat the service as any other public conveyance and allow all Indian citizens access, which would reinforce its position on passports as identity documents. Islamabad, in contrast, wanted the bus to carry only residents of Kashmir. The prospect of non-Kashmiris crossing the LOC raised the likelihood that passports, and not documents issued in Kashmir, would be required. Dewan added that Islamabad called for a national bus company to be the carrier, because it did not wish the J&K Road Transport Company to travel between the two sides, commenting that this was impossible, because all of India's bus companies are state level. This was only one of the ""red herrings"" the Pakistani delegation introduced into the talks, he stated. (The current Delhi-Lahore bus is operated by the respective state transport companies.)
Infrastructure Problems Also Remain
--------------
6. (U) Analysts pointed out that even if an agreement on the political and technical aspects of the bus service were hammered out, it would take months to refurbish the currently unused road that transits the LOC. Laborers are reportedly working overtime to complete repairs to the Indian side of the road, which even military vehicles cannot currently traverse. Meanwhile, the bridge that actually crosses the LOC faces at least four months of repair work, and its location straddling the LOC will undoubtedly complicate the process, according to J&K-based journalists.
Other Roads Won't Open
--------------
7. (C) The lack of agreement over travel documents continues the impasse over what could become a network of cross-LOC transport connections. In recent weeks the GOI has proposed buses running Kargil-Skardu, Poonch-Mirpur, and Jammu-Sialkot routes, but the deadlock over documents will hamstring progress on all these CBMs.
Side Proposal for Kashmiris Floated
--------------
8. (C) Separately, ""Asian Age"" reported on December 7 that the GOI had put forward an idea for designated points along the LOC where divided Kashmiri families could meet on a regular schedule. This would be a marked improvement over the current practice of families arriving at their respective sides of the LOC and calling to each other from across a river or check-point.
Proposed Train Link Gathering a Little Steam
--------------
9. (C) The December 2-3 talks in Islamabad on the proposed Munnabao-Khokhrapar rail link connecting Rajasthan and Sindh were more successful, with the delegations announcing on December 3 that they had agreed to an ""early resumption of the rail link"" and to replace and refurbish the rail infrastructure. The agreement remained hampered, however, by Islamabad's estimate of ""two to three years"" to lay new gauge track to accommodate such rail service. This represented a significant delay over Natwar Singh's recent pronouncement that this southern Indo-Pak land crossing could commence business by October 2005 -- which the GOI says would be possible if the two sides stuck to the current meter gauge system.
Remaining Composite Dialogue Discussions
--------------
10. (U) The below schedule for the remaining meetings in Round 2 of the Composite Dialogue reflects the rescheduling of the anti-narcotics and Foreign Secretaries meetings:
December 9-10 (New Delhi): Meeting of the Committee of Experts regarding trade issues.
December 13-14 (New Delhi): Meetings between narcotics control authorities.
December 14-15 (Karachi): Joint survey of the boundary pillars in the horizontal section of the Sir Creek area.
December 14-15 (Islamabad): Expert-level meeting on nuclear CBMs, including discussion on a draft agreement for prior notification of missile tests.
December 15-16 (Islamabad): Expert-level meeting on conventional CBMs.
December 27-28 (Islamabad): Foreign Secretaries meeting to review issues discussed this month and to set a schedule for another round of talks, possibly to begin in February 2005.
Comment
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11. (C) As NSA Dixit confirmed to the Ambassador on December 7 (reftel),PM Manmohan Singh remains personally committed to opening the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad road, but it will not become a reality until both sides climb down further from their positions. This will require engagement at the political level on both sides, although there are voices in the GOI that are calling for India now to call Pakistan's bluff and agree to its demands. The MEA, in particular, is concerned that Islamabad opposes new connections between the two sides of Kashmir because this would tend to deflate the jihadist movement. The issue of bus and rail service may arise again at the December 27-28 Foreign Secretaries talks in Islamabad or in the Dixit-Aziz back-channel, but the enduring deadlock over documents for cross-LOC travel is inextricably linked to each nation's views on Kashmir, and compromise will be difficult. This will delay further the large number of Kashmiris who wish to travel across the LOC for family, tourism, and economic reasons.
12. (C) As the Composite Dialogue continues, it is becoming increasingly difficult to avoid the conclusion that Pakistan is holding concrete progress on important CBMs hostage to Indian concessions on Kashmir. Atmospherics in India remain remarkably positive, but the intrinsically zero-sum nature of Kashmir is preventing the CD from living up to its potential to build new constituencies for peace and reduce the risk of renewed crisis.
MULFORD