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03ANKARA6858
2003-11-04 07:17:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ankara
Cable title:  

THE VIEW FROM SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY: PART TWO

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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ANKARA 006858 

SIPDIS


DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/SE, INR


E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/04/2013
TAGS: PGOV PREL PTER PHUM PINR KNNP TU
SUBJECT: THE VIEW FROM SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY: PART TWO


REF: A. ANKARA 6163

B. ANKARA 6140

C. ANKARA 5566


CLASSIFIED BY W.S. REID III, PO AMCON ADANA, E.O. 12958,
REASONS 1.5 (B) AND (D)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ANKARA 006858

SIPDIS


DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/SE, INR


E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/04/2013
TAGS: PGOV PREL PTER PHUM PINR KNNP TU
SUBJECT: THE VIEW FROM SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY: PART TWO


REF: A. ANKARA 6163

B. ANKARA 6140

C. ANKARA 5566


CLASSIFIED BY W.S. REID III, PO AMCON ADANA, E.O. 12958,
REASONS 1.5 (B) AND (D)


1.(C) SUMMARY: THIS IS THE SECOND OF THREE MESSAGES ABOUT
THE AMCON ADANA REPORTING TEAM VISIT TO SOUTHEASTERN TURKEY
FROM SEPTEMBER 14-26. REFTELS REPORT OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS
TRIP. END SUMMARY.


BITLIS - STRONG ISLAMIC OUTPOST IN THE EAST



2. (C) BITLIS AND ITS MAIN TOWNS HAVE A POLITICALLY ISLAMIC
POPULACE STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF AK PARTY. SEVERAL MAYORS
CRITICIZED THE U.S. FOR OCCUPYING IRAQ AND ASKED RHETORICALLY
"IS TURKEY NEXT? WE WILL NOT LET YOU COME HERE!" THE TATVAN
MAYOR ENGAGED IN A LENGTHY HARANGUE DURING WHICH MORE AND
MORE MUNICIPAL STAFF KEPT APPEARING IN THE OFFICE IN WHICH HE
MAINTAINED THAT "THE CIA IS IN LEAGUE WITH BIN LADEN AND
CONSPIRED TO BRING DOWN THE TWIN TOWERS SO THAT YOU COULD
ATTACK THE ISLAMIC WORLD. WE WILL RESIST, YOU KNOW." THE
MAYOR'S ASSERTIONS DETERIORATED FROM THIS POINT ONWARD,
REFLECTING THE WARPING EFFECT OF THE REGION'S WEAK MEDIA
CULTURE.



3. (C) OUTSIDE THE MUNICIPAL OFFICES, OUT OF POLICE AND AKP
CADRE EARSHOT, SEVERAL BUSINESS LEADERS NOTED THEIR CONCERNS
ABOUT "THE ISLAMIC PROBLEM," ASKING THAT WE KEEP THEIR
COMMENTS CONFIDENTIAL AS THEY FEARED WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN WERE
THEIR OPINIONS TO BECOME WIDELY KNOWN. SEVERAL PEOPLE WE MET
ON THE STREET AND IN BUSINESS LOBBIES ASKED US HOW WE FELT
ABOUT PKK/KADEK (WE TOLD THEM THAT THE ORGANIZATION IS LISTED
AS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION),ASKED WHY THE U.S. DID NOT STOP
TURKISH GOVERNMENT "STATE TERRORISM AND VIOLENCE," AND VOICED
OPPOSITION TO "SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON NEW ATTACK
HELICOPTERS WHEN WE HAVE DEBTS TO PAY ELSEWHERE AND NEED
SCHOOLS."


VAN - A BREATH OF FRESH AIR OR MORE OF THE SAME ILL TREATMENT?



4. (C) IN VAN, THE TRAVELING TEAM NOTED INCREASED GOT
SURVEILLANCE AND BLATANT GOT EFFORTS AT INTIMIDATION.
SEVERAL WHITE VANS OF NON-POLICE ORIGIN SHADOWED THE TEAM

FROM THE VAN BORDER PROVINCE ONWARD, TOGETHER WITH SEVERAL
WELL-DRESSED MEN WHOSE PRESENCE MADE THE LOCAL UNIFORMED AND
NON-UNIFORMED POLICE ANXIOUS. LOCAL UNHCR INTERNATIONAL
STAFF (STRICTLY PROTECT) SAID SIMILAR MEASURES WERE SOMETIMES
FOCUSED ON THE UNHCR'S ACTIVITY IN VAN AND AGAINST THE
IRANIAN CONSULATE IN ERZURUM AND THE "OBVIOUS IRANIAN
INTELLIGENCE VEHICLES FROM THE (IRANIAN ERZURUM) CONSULATE
WORKING IN VAN PROPER."



5. (C) PO'S MEETING WITH NEWLY-ARRIVED GOVERNOR HIKMET TAN
SUGGESTED THAT TAN MIGHT BE A POSSIBLE CONSTRUCTIVE INFLUENCE
IN THE SEVERAL COURT CASES BROUGHT BY THE GOT AGAINST VICTOR
AND KRISTY BEDOIAN, AMCITS OF ARMENIAN HERITAGE. TAN OFFERED
TO MEET WITH THE BEDOIANS AND TO MOVE QUICKLY TO RE-ISSUE
THEM A BUSINESS LICENSE AS SOON AS THE CASES INVOLVING THEIR
EMBEZZLED PROPERTY AND LOST BUSINESS LICENSE CAME TO A
CONCLUSION ON THE VAN PROVINCE DOCKET. "I WANT TO SEE THE
RETURN OF AMERICAN AND WESTERN TOURISTS IN NUMBERS TO VAN'S
GREATER HISTORICAL SITES WHILE I AM HERE" TAN SAID, "AND I
HOPE THAT CONSULS CAN HELP ME DO THAT." TAN ALSO SAID THAT
BUILDING LEGITIMATE CROSS-BORDER TRADE WITH IRAN IS A HIGH
PRIORITY, THAT HE ALREADY HAD MET IRANIAN LOCAL COUNTERPARTS,
THAT TURKEY WAS CONSIDERING OPENING A ROAD CROSSING IN VAN
AND THAT THE IRANIANS ARE SERIOUSLY THINKING OF BUILDING A
ROAD TO THE TURKISH SIDE OF THE EXISTING RAIL CROSSING IN VAN
PROVINCE. HE SAID THAT HE SEES THE "SUITCASE TRADER MODEL"
AS THE MOST VIABLE NEAR-TERM BUSINESS MODE FOR
TURKISH-IRANIAN BORDER TRADE.



6. (C) UNFORTUNATELY, A SIMILAR MEETING WITH VAN SECURITY
DIRECTOR TACETTIN KURT SUGGESTED A BREAK IN THE SYSTEMATIC
HARASSMENT OF THE BEDOIAN FAMILY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE
AROUND THE CORNER. HE DENIED THAT THERE HAD BEEN ANY
PROBLEMS FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS IN VAN. HE ALSO CLAIMED THAT
THERE WERE NO HUMAN RIGHTS PROBLEMS IN HIS POLICE DISTRICT
AND "THERE NEVER WILL BE ONE." LOCAL UNHCR (STRICTLY
PROTECT) AND BUSINESS CONTACTS SAID THAT KURT IS THE
CONTINUING PROBLEM IN THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AND ALLEGED
THAT HE WAS INVOLVED IN SMUGGLING AND OTHER ILLEGAL PRACTICES
"ALONG WITH THE OLD ANAP LEADERSHIP THAT USED TO RUN THE
PROVINCE."



7. (C) ON THE POSITIVE SIDE, KURT EXPRESSED COMMITMENT TO
COMBATING ILLICIT MIGRATION, WHICH HE SAID HAD SURPASSED DRUG
AND FUEL SMUGGLING AS THE REGION'S BIGGEST PROBLEM. HE SAID
THAT RECENT ARRESTS INDICATED STEADY STREAM IRANIAN
GOVERNMENT-ORCHESTRATED ILLICIT MIGRATION "MAINLY MOVING
AFGHANS, INDIANS, PAKISTANIS AND BANGLADESHIS IN SIGNIFICANT
NUMBERS" (A THOUSAND OR TWO A MONTH) ACROSS THE VAN PROVINCE
BORDER. UNHCR CONTACTS (STRICTLY PROTECT) REPORTED SOMALIS,
IRAQIS, AND CENTRAL AND EAST AFRICANS IN SMALLER NUMBERS AS
WELL. KURT ESTIMATED THAT THE GOING RATE FOR SMUGGLING A
PERSON INTO VAN PROVINCE WAS USD 3,000 AND ANOTHER USD 8,000
FOR ONWARD SMUGGLING TO ISTANBUL AND THE BALKANS. THE VAN
SECURITY DIRECTOR'S CLAIMS WERE CORROBORATED BY THE BASKALE
SUB-GOVERNOR AND HIS SECURITY DIRECTOR, A FORMER TURKISH
INTERPOL LIAISON OFFICER WELL-VERSED IN THE PROBLEM AND THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LOCAL DRUG AND HUMAN TRAFFICKERS.



8. (C) A PROMINENT VAN LAWYER SAID THAT THE LOCAL POPULATION
STILL WANTED FREEDOM TO BE KURDISH IN EVERYDAY LIFE, FROM
NAMING CHILDREN TO GOVERNING THEIR LOCAL AFFAIRS, EVEN THOUGH
THEY KNEW THAT THEIR DREAMS OF A "REAL KURDISTAN WERE JUST
NOT POSSIBLE GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE POLITICAL WORLD OF
TODAY. STILL AUTONOMY IS WHAT WE WANT." HE WONDERED WHETHER
"AMERICA WOULD STILL STAND WITH US LIKE THEY DID IN IRAQ."
PO NOTED THAT THE U.S. POLICY IN IRAQ WAS TO REMOVE HUSSEIN
AND NEUTRALIZE WMD THREATS IN THE REGION AND BUILD A
DEMOCRATIC IRAQ. PO UNDERSCORED THAT THE U.S WAS NOT TAKING
SIDES IN IRAQ, ADDING THAT THE U.S. CONSIDERED PKK/KADEK A
TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. OUR CONTACT SAID THAT HE REALIZED
THIS, BUT IT WAS TOO NUANCED A POSITION FOR MUCH OF THE LOCAL
POPULATION TO GRASP. "THEY STILL WANT TO SEE THINGS AS YOUR
TAKING THE KURDISH SIDE SOMETIMES", HE SAID. HE LAMENTED
THAT KURDISH SOCIETY ITSELF WAS NOT CHANGING QUICKLY ENOUGH.
TOO MANY KURDS STILL DID NOT CHALLENGE PRACTICES LIKE HONOR
KILLINGS, SUBSERVIENT POSITIONS FOR WOMEN, TRIBAL LORD
LEADERSHIP, DOWRY REQUIREMENTS, AND ARRANGED MARRIAGES, AND
THAT "WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE FOR KURDS TO MODERNIZE LIKE THE
WORLD AROUND THEM." HE PRAISED THE GOT'S RECENT EU REFORM
PACKAGES AND SAID THAT "THINGS ARE CHANGING SOMEWHAT FOR THE
BETTER. WE SEE THAT, BUT PRACTICE IS HOW THESE LAWS WILL
REALLY BE JUDGED, AND THERE IS LITTLE TRUST OR TRACK RECORD
FOR US TO RELY ON IN LOOKING AT THESE NEW TURKISH LAWS SO
FAR."
EDELMAN