ITALY'S CONTRIBUTION TO ENDURING FREEDOM: U/S

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ROME 005184 SIPDIS E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/23/2007 TAGS: MOPS PREL PREL PREL IT ITMOPS ITMOPS IRAQI FREEDOM SUBJECT: ITALY'S CONTRIBUTION TO ENDURING FREEDOM: U/S FEITH'S MEETING WITH MINDEF MARTINO, SEPT. 30 REF: ROME 4807 CLASSIFIED BY: POLMINCOUNS THOMAS M. COUNTRYMAN, REASON 1.5 (B) AND (D) ¶1. (C) SUMMARY. ON SEPTEMBER 30, ITALIAN MINDEF MARTINO CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 ROME 05184 01 OF 03 232138Z REVIEWED OEF, ISAF/AFGHANISTAN DEVELOPMENTS, IRAQ, DEFENSE PROCUREMENT, AND THE ICC WITH USD/P FEITH. MARTINO PINPOINTED MARCH 1 AS THE TARGET DATE FOR DEPLOYING THE ALPINI TO AFGHANISTAN (COMMENT: PER REFTEL, THE PARLIAMENT ON OCTOBER 3 APPROVED THE MISSION.) ITALY'S KFOR COMMAND ROLE AND BUDGET CONSTRAINTS--WHICH MARTINO SAID WERE HAMPERING DEFENSE PLANNING--WILL PREVENT THE GOI FROM TAKING ON ANY ISAF OR ISAF-LIKE LEADERSHIP RESPONSIBILITIES AT THIS TIME. THE THREAT OF MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAQ STRENGTHENS THE UN, MARTINO SAID. HE SPECIFIED THAT A DECISION TO USE FORCE WAS A SEPARATE MATTER, BUT THOUGHT THAT IF THE U.S. MOVES TO ASSEMBLE A MILITARY COALITION, FRANCE, RUSSIA, AND EVEN GERMANY WOULD PARTICIPATE. REGARDING ITALY'S DESIRE TO SIGN A DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES WITH THE U.S., FEITH NOTED THAT COMMERCIAL RELATIONS WITH THIRD COUNTRIES WAS STILL AN ISSUE, BUT SAID IT WAS SOLUBLE. THE DEFENSE MINISTRY IS STUDYING HOW TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE ICC ON PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS. MARTINO CALLED AN ARTICLE 98 AGREEMENT A GOOD, IF IMPERFECT, STOPGAP TO MEET U.S. NEEDS. END SUMMARY. ¶2. (U) USD/P FEITH MET SEPTEMBER 30 WITH ITALIAN MINDEF MARTINO AT THE PARLIAMENT BUILDING IN ROME. ALSO IN ATTENDANCE WERE AMB. SEMBLER, PRINCIPAL DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY PETER FLORY, MARTINO'S DIPLOMATIC COUNSELOR SIPDIS FRANCESCO TRUPIANO, AND POLMINCOUNS. ALPINI TROOPS TO OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM -------------- ¶3. (C) FEITH NOTED MARTINO'S STATEMENT TO SECDEF SEPT. 23 CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 03 ROME 05184 01 OF 03 232138Z THAT THE ALPINI BATTALION THE GOI HAD PROMISED TO DEPLOY TO OEF WOULD ARRIVE IN MARCH, AND STRESSED THAT AN EARLIER ARRIVAL WOULD BE FAR MORE VALUABLE. MARTINO SAID AGAIN THAT THE TARGET DATE WAS MARCH 1, SAYING THAT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE ALPINI AND ASSOCIATED UNITS HAVE THE TIME FOR INTEGRATED TRAINING. HE MENTIONED THAT CONSTRAINTS ON THE DEFENSE BUDGET WERE ALSO A FACTOR. ¶4. (C) MARTINO DESCRIBED THE GOI'S APPROACH TO THE PARLIAMENTARY DEBATE ON OEF AND AFGHANISTAN SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 3. THERE WOULD BE NO CONTROVERSY IF IT WERE A QUESTION OF INCREASING ITALY'S CONTRIBUTION TO ISAF. HOWEVER, SOME ELEMENTS OF THE LEFT IN ITALY HAVE CREATED A MYTH THAT ITALY'S CONTRIBUTION OF OEF IS INTENDED TO FREE UP US ELEMENTS TO PROSECUTE WAR IN IRAQ. THE CLIMATE HAS CHANGED SINCE THE PARLIAMENT VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY IN NOVEMBER 2001 TO APPROVE ITALIAN CONTRIBUTIONS TO OEF. NOW THE LEFT HAS RESURRECTED ITS SLOGAN OF BEING "PRO-PEACE" AND ACCUSING THE GOVERNMENT, PARTICULARLY MARTINO, OF BEING WAR-MONGERS. FEITH NOTED THAT THE IMPLICATION OF OPPOSING COALITION PARTICIPATION IN OEF IS TO PROMOTE WHAT THE LEFT CLAIMS TO REJECT: US UNILATERALISM. SMILING, MARTINO SAID HIS CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 04 ROME 05184 01 OF 03 232138Z PRESENTATION TO PARLIAMENT WOULD MAKE HIS FRIENDS ON THE LEFT SQUIRM. A VOTE ON OEF WILL NOT ONLY SPLIT THE TWO MAIN OPPOSITION PARTIES - THE DEMOCRATIC LEFT (DS) AND THE DAISY - BUT WOULD ALSO CAUSE AN INTERNAL SPLIT IN THE DS. ISAF -------------- ¶5. (C) MARTINO ASKED FOR LATEST US THINKING ON THE NEXT LEAD NATION FOR ISAF: WOULD IT BE THE GERMAN-DUTCH COMBINATION? FEITH SAID HE HAD DISCUSSED THIS IN BERLIN EARLIER IN THE MONTH, BUT AFTER A WEEK ON THE ROAD, WAS NOT AWARE OF THE LATEST THINKING IN WASHINGTON. A GERMAN-DUTCH OPERATION WOULD NEED SUPPORT, AT LEAST INFORMALLY, FROM NATO, WHICH RAISED SOME DIFFICULT QUESTIONS IN ITSELF. WE WERE ALSO THINKING ABOUT USING COALITION FORCES (FROM OEF) TO PERFORM ISAF-LIKE FUNCTIONS IN CITIES NOT CURRENTLY COVERED BY ISAF. HE ASKED MARTINO IF ANY OTHER NATION WAS READY TO CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PTQ8606 PAGE 01 ROME 05184 02 OF 03 232139Z ACTION PM-00 INFO LOG-00 CIAE-00 SRPP-00 DS-00 EUR-00 VC-00 H-01 TEDE-00 INR-00 IO-00 L-00 VCE-00 AC-01 NSAE-00 NSCE-00 OIC-02 OMB-01 PA-00 PRS-00 ACE-00 P-00 SP-00 SSO-00 SS-00 TRSE-00 T-00 USIE-00 PMB-00 DSCC-00 DRL-02 G-00 SAS-00 /007W -------------- FD099D 232139Z /40 P 231359Z OCT 02 FM AMEMBASSY ROME TO SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 6518 SECDEF WASHDC PRIORITY INFO NATO EU COLLECTIVE AMCONSUL MILAN JOINT STAFF WASHDC C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 02 OF 03 ROME 005184 SIPDIS E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/23/2007 TAGS: MOPS PREL PREL PREL IT ITMOPS ITMOPS IRAQI FREEDOM SUBJECT: ITALY'S CONTRIBUTION TO ENDURING FREEDOM: U/S FEITH'S MEETING WITH MINDEF MARTINO, SEPT. 30 STEP FORWARD AND TAKE THE LEAD. MARTINO NOTED THE IMMINENT ITALIAN ASSUMPTION OF KFOR COMMAND, AND REFERRED TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AS A REASON ITALY COULD NOT VOLUNTEER. AFGHANISTAN DEVELOPMENTS CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 ROME 05184 02 OF 03 232139Z -------------- ¶6. (C) FEITH DESCRIBED SOME OF HIS IMPRESSIONS FROM HIS JUST-COMPLETED VISIT TO AFGHANISTAN. THERE IS AN URGENT NEED TO SPEED THE TRAINING OF THE AFGHAN ARMY AND POLICE, SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE GOA MORE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COUNTRY AND AVOID CREATING A CULTURE OF OVERDEPENDENCE ON OUTSIDE HELP. MARTINO AGREED, NOTING THAT OVER-RELIANCE ON THE WEST WAS STILL A MAJOR PROBLEM IN THE BALKANS. FEITH SAID WE HAVE TO BUILD UP THE GOA'S TOOLS, PARTICULARLY THE POLICE AND A MEANS FOR THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT TO BECOME THE CHIEF CONDUIT FOR INTERNATIONAL AID. WHEN HE MENTIONED HIS MEETING WITH MINDEF FAHIM KHAN, MARTINO INTERJECTED THAT FAHIM REMINDED HIM OF A REAL SICILIAN GODFATHER. FEITH SAID THAT OUR TASK WITH FAHIM IS TO CONVINCE HIM THAT POLITICAL MANEUVERING WILL GIVE HIM MORE OF A PAYBACK THAN THE BRUTE FORCE HE IS USED TO WIELDING. IRAQ -------------- ¶7. (C) FEITH SAID THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS GIVING A GREAT EAL OF THOUGHT TO THE AFTERMATH OF SADDAM'S REMOVL FROM POWER. THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR INTERNATONAL CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 03 ROME 05184 02 OF 03 232139Z HELP IN ANY POST-CONFLICT STABILITY PHASE. MARTINO SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT PUBLIC OPINON KNOW THAT THE US IS COMMITTED TO IRAQ'S STABIITY POST-SADDAM, BECAUSE WE ARE CURRENTLY LOSING HE PROPAGANDA BATTLE. HE AGAIN COMPLAINED THAT THE LEFT IS TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THE CHOICE BETWEEN"PEACE" AND "WAR", WHEN IN FACT IS WEIGHING TH RISK OF ACTION AGAINST THE RISK OF INACTION. HESAID THAT THE US WAS RIGHT TO CONTINUE THE PRESSUE ON BAGHDAD; WITHOUT THE THREAT OF FORCE, THE U WAS SEVERELY WEAKENED. THE ACTUAL USE OF FORCE HE NOTED, WAS A SEPARATE DECISION. MARTINO SAD HE WAS LESS PESSIMISTIC THAN MOST ON THE STRENTH OF A COALITION THE US COULD ASSEMBLE: IN THE ED, HE BELIEVED THAT FRANCE, RUSSIA AND EVEN GERMNY WOULD NOT WANT TO BE LEFT OUT. BILATERAL: ECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES -------------- ¶8. (C) MARTINO SAID HIS DIRECTOR O ARMAMENTS HA ASKED HIM TO RAISE WITH FEITH ITLY'S DESIRE TO SIGN A PROCUREMENT "DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES" SIMILAR TO THOSE THE US HAD SIGNED ITH SPAIN AND OTHER ALLIES. FEITH NOTED THAT THRE WAS ONE SENSITIVE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO COMMERCIAL RELATIONS WITH THIR COUNTRIES THAT HAD CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 04 ROME 05184 02 OF 03 232139Z TO BE SETTLED, BUT THAT THISWAS A SOLUBLE ISSUE. HE TOLD MARTINO THAT HE HA ALREADY ASKED EMBASSY ROME TO RESOLVE THIS. ITERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT -------------- ¶9. (C) REFERRING TO THE EUROPEAN UNION DCISION EXPECTED THE SAME DAY ON NEGOTIATING ARICLE 98 AGREEMENTS WITH THE US, FEITH SAID THAT TH ICC WAS A RADICAL DEPARTURE IN INTERNATIONAL LW. THOSE WHO HAD BECOME PARTIES TO THE STATUTE ERE LEGISLATING FOR THOSE WHO HAD NOT; THE US COLD NOT ACCEPT SUCH AN IMPOSITION. MARTINO SAID HAT HE HAD ASKED HIS STAFF TO ASSESS HOW TO MINIIZE THE IMPACT OF THE ICC ON PEACEKEEPING OPERAIONS, NOTING THAT AN ARTICLE 98 AGREEMENT WAS IMPEFECT FOR THE US NEEDS, BUT A GOOD STOP-GAP. FITH SAID THAT THE USG WOULD BE OBLIGED TO CONSIDR THE ICC AS A NEW RISK FACTOR IN DECIDING WHICHMISSIONS TO EMBARK UPON; IN MARGINAL CASES, IT CONFIDENTIAL CONFIDENTIAL PTQ8607 PAGE 01 ROME 05184 03 OF 03 232139Z ACTION PM-00 INFO LOG-00 CIAE-00 SRPP-00 DS-00 EUR-00 VC-00 H-01 TEDE-00 INR-00 IO-00 L-00 VCE-00 AC-01 NSAE-00 NSCE-00 OIC-02 OMB-01 PA-00 PRS-00 ACE-00 P-00 SP-00 SSO-00 SS-00 TRSE-00 T-00 USIE-00 PMB-00 DSCC-00 DRL-02 G-00 SAS-00 /007W -------------- FD09A9 232139Z /40 P 231359Z OCT 02 FM AMEMBASSY ROME TO SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 6519 SECDEF WASHDC PRIORITY INFO NATO EU COLLECTIVE AMCONSUL MILAN JOINT STAFF WASHDC C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 03 OF 03 ROME 005184 SIPDIS E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/23/2007 TAGS: MOPS PREL PREL PREL IT ITMOPS ITMOPS IRAQI FREEDOM SUBJECT: ITALY'S CONTRIBUTION TO ENDURING FREEDOM: U/S FEITH'S MEETING WITH MINDEF MARTINO, SEPT. 30 COULD BE THE FACTOR THAT CAUSES THE US NOT TO UNDERTAKE A MISSION. IT WILL ALSO BECOME PART OF OUR DEFENSE RELATIONSHIP WITH FRIENDS. MARTINO SAID THE WORLD WOULD THEN BE THE LOSER, AND OFFERED TO HELP, PERHAPS BY WRITING AN OP-ED COLUMN FOR THE CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 ROME 05184 03 OF 03 232139Z ITALIAN PRESS. FEITH SAID ITALY (AND THE UK) COULD BEST HELP BY RAPIDLY CONCLUDING AN ARTICLE 98 AGREEMENT WITH THE US, SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE THAT EVEN SUPPORTERS OF THE ICC FIND NO CONTRADICTION IN SIGNING SUCH AN AGREEMENT. BUDGET WOES -------------- ¶10. (C) FOR THE THIRD TIME, MARTINO LAMENTED THE EFFECT THE JUST-SUBMITTED BUDGET WOULD HAVE ON THE MINISTRY'S PLANS. ITALY WAS STILL SPENDING JUST 1.05% OF ITS GDP ON DEFENSE, ALTHOUGH THE GOI FULLY APPRECIATED THE NEED FOR ITALY AND ALL OF EUROPE TO SPEND MORE ON CAPABILITY-BUILDING. THE GOVERNMENT HAD MADE A COMMITMENT TO IMPROVE THIS RATIO TO 1.5% BY 2006. MARTINO HOPED THIS GOAL WOULD BE ACHIEVED, EVEN THOUGH THIS YEAR'S BUDGET CONSTRAINTS MEANT NO PROGRESS IN THAT DIRECTION. HE QUOTED WHAT LORD ROBERTSON HAD SAID ABOUT ITALY'S DEFENSE CAPABILITIES IN A RECENT MEETING WITH BERLUSCONI: "YOUR OUTPUT IS ADMIRABLE; YOUR INPUT IS INADEQUATE." ¶11. (U) USD/P DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAR THIS CABLE. SEMBLER CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 03 ROME 05184 03 OF 03 232139Z CONFIDENTIAL > 2002ROME05184 - Classification: CONFIDENTIAL