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95RIYADH712
1995-02-08 09:33:00
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Embassy Riyadh
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IRAN: MEETING WITH SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER

Tags:  PREL IR SA BA RU 
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O 080933Z FEB 95
FM AMEMBASSY RIYADH
TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 8638
INFO AMEMBASSY PARIS 
AMEMBASSY LONDON 
GCC COLLECTIVE
AMEMBASSY MOSCOW
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 RIYADH 000712 


LONDON FOR TUELLER, PARIS FOR ALLEGRONE

E.O.12356: DECL: OADR
TAGS: PREL IR SA BA RU
SUBJECT: IRAN: MEETING WITH SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER
SAUD AL-FAISAL

S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 RIYADH 000712


LONDON FOR TUELLER, PARIS FOR ALLEGRONE

E.O.12356: DECL: OADR
TAGS: PREL IR SA BA RU
SUBJECT: IRAN: MEETING WITH SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER
SAUD AL-FAISAL


1. (SECRET - ENTIRE TEXT)


2. SUMMARY. IN A JANUARY 26 MEETING, SAUDI FOREIGN
MINISTER SAUD AL-FAISAL TOLD NEA ASSISTANT SECRETARY
PELLETREAU THAT IRAN HAD BEEN PRESSURING THE SAG FOR AN
IMPROVEMENT IN RELATIONS, BUT THE SAG HAD SEEN NO
INDICATION THAT IMPROVING RELATIONS WOULD PRODUCE A
STABILIZING SITUATION. HE SAID THE SAG WAS CONCERNED
ABOUT IRANIAN MEDDLING IN BAHRAIN. PELLETREAU SAID THE
U.S. WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IRAN'S SUPPORT OF SUBVERSIVE
ACTIVITIES AND ITS RECENT PURCHASE OF A RUSSIAN NUCLEAR
REACTOR. HE SAID U.S. EFFORTS TO DENY IRAN NEW CREDIT
WERE HAVING SOME EFFECT. SAUD SAID THAT HE HAD RECENTLY
HEARD THAT THERE WERE DIVISIONS WITHIN HIZBALLAH, AND
SUGGESTED THAT OUR INTELLIGENCE SERVICES HAVE AN
INFORMATION EXCHANGE ON THIS SUBJECT. PELLETREAU
AGREED. (OTHER SUBJECTS SEPTELS.) END SUMMARY.


3. IN THE LATE AFTERNOON OF JANUARY 26, ASSISTANT
SECRETARY PELLETREAU AND FOREIGN MINISTER SAUD MET AT
SAUD'S HOME TO CONTINUE THEIR JANUARY 25 MEETING.
DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER AL-KURDI SAT IN ON THE SAUDI
SIDE AS NOTETAKER. AMBASSADOR AND ACTING POLCOUNS
(NOTETAKER) ACCOMPANIED PELLETREAU.


4. SAUD RAISED THE ISSUE OF IRAN BY SAYING THAT THE
IRANIANS WERE CONSTANTLY CONTACTING THE SAG OUTSIDE
DIPLOMATIC CHANNELS AND THROUGH THIRD PARTIES RELAYING
THE MESSAGE THAT THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT
UNDERSTAND WHY THERE HAS BEN NO IMPROVEMENT IN
SAUDI-IRANIAN RELATIONS, ESECIALLY SINCE THE IRANIAN
FOREIGN MINISTER HAS VSITED SAUDI ARABIA TWICE. SAUD
SAID THAT THE SAG HAS SEEN NO CHANGE IN IRANIAN POLICY
THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT AN IMPROVEMENT OF RELATIONS
WOULD PRODUCE A STABILIZING SITUATION. ALSO, THERE WERE
UNRESOLVED REGIONAL ISSUES SUCH AS THE "THREE ISLANDS"
DISPUTE WITH THE UAE AND IRANIAN MEDDLING IN BAHRAIN.

IRANIAN INVOLVEMENT IN BAHRAIN
--------------


5. PELLETREAU ASKED SAUD HOW SERIOUS HE THOUGHT THE
SITUATION IN BAHRAIN WAS. SAUD SAID, "VERY SERIOUS."
THE SHIA IN BAHRAIN LOOK TO QOM FOR RELIGIOUS
LEADERSHIP, AND SINCE THE TIME OF THE SHAH, IRAN HAS
MADE TROUBLE FOR BAHRAIN. HE SAID THAT IRAN DENIES IT
IS INVOLVED IN BAHRAIN. IT HAS SENT MESSAGES TO THE
SAUDIS AND BAHRAINIS THROUGH THIRD PARTIES THAT IT WOULD
"DO ANYTHING" TO PROVE THAT IT WAS NOT INVOLVED IN

BAHRAIN. SAUD SAID BAHRAIN WAS IN CONTACT WITH IRAN.


6. SAUD SAID THE BAHRAINI DISSIDENTS WERE MAKING
EXTENSIVE USE OF THE MEDIA. INTERNATIONAL MEDIA
BROADCASTS INTO BAHRAIN TREAT THE DISTURBANCES AS IF
THEY WERE THE ONLY EVENTS GOING ON IN THE WORLD. SUCH
MEDIA SCRUTINY WAS BAD FOR BAHRAIN'S ECONOMY, WHICH
DEPENDS ON TOURISM AND BUSINESS. THE ANSWER DID NOT LIE
IN DESTROYING THE COUNTRY. HE HOPED WE WOULD BE
UNDERSTANDING OF BAHRAIN'S SITUATION.


7. PELLETREAU SAID THAT WE HAD TOLD THE BAHRAINIS THAT
WE THOUGHT THEY WERE HANDLING THE SITUATION WITH
RESTRAINT. THEY WERE A COUNTRY FRIENDLY TO THE U.S. AND
THE KINGDOM AND REQUIRED SUPPORT. SAUD SAID, "BAHRAIN
NEEDS HELP NOW." HE SAID IRAN NEEDS TO BE SENT A
MESSAGE THAT IT SHOULD NOT MEDDLE IN BAHRAIN'S INTERNAL
AFFAIRS.

OTHER IRANIAN SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
--------------


8. PELLETREAU SAID THAT IRAN WAS DOING A NUMBER OF
THINGS IT SHOULD NOT BE DOING. IT WAS TRYING TO ACQUIRE
WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. IT HAD CLOSE RELATIONS
WITH SUDAN. IT WAS CARRYING OUT WIDER SUBVERSIVE
ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS CONDUCTING ACTIONS AGAINST EGYPT AND
SUPPORTING HIZBALLAH AND ITS TERRORIST ACTIVITIES.


9. SAUD SAID THAT HE HAD HEARD THAT THERE MAY BE
DIVISIONS WITHIN HIZBALLAH. THERE ARE THOSE WHO WANT A
CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH IRAN, AND OTHERS WHO WANT
HIZBALLAH TO BE MORE INDEPENDENT. HE SAID THAT AN
INFORMATION EXCHANGE ON THIS SUBJECT WOULD BE USEFUL,
AND THAT OUR INTELLIGENCE SERVICES SHOULD GET IN TOUCH
WITH EACH OTHER. PELLETREAU AGREED.

IRANIAN/RUSSIAN RELATIONS
--------------


10. PELLETREAU SAID THAT THE U.S. HAS BEEN IN CONTACT
WITH RUSSIA ABOUT ITS RELATIONS WITH IRAN, AND HAD
OBTAINED A RUSSIAN COMMITMENT NOT TO ENTER INTO ANY NEW
MILITARY CONTRACTS WITH IRAN. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT KNOW
ALL THE DETAILS OF RUSSIA'S CURRENT CONTRACTS. SAUD
SAID THAT HE HAD HEARD THAT THE CONTRACTS WERE WORTH USD
4 BILLION. HE LAUGHED AND SAID THAT RUSSIAN EQUIPMENT
WAS CHEAPER THAN U.S. EQUIPMENT. THUS, USD 4 BILLION
OUGHT TO BUY QUITE A BIT. PELLETREAU SAID THAT EVEN
THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT WON'T COME CLOSE TO WHAT
IRAN THINKS IT NEEDS.


11. PELLETREAU SAID THAT WE HAD ALSO TALKED TO RUSSIA
ABOUT ITS CONTRACT TO BUILD A NUCLEAR REACTOR AS
BUSHEIR. EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD COME UNDER IAEA
SAFEGUARDS, IT WOULD GIVE IRAN TECHNOLOGY IT COULD USE
FOR NON-PEACEFUL PURPOSES. SAUD SAID THAT HE HAD
UNDERSTOOD THAT IRAN'S OTHER REACTORS WERE UNDER IAEA
SAFEGUARDS. PELLETREAU SAID THAT WAS TRUE, BUT WE KNEW
THAT THERE WAS MORE TO IRAN'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM THAN WHAT
THE IAEA INSPECTORS SAW.


12. SAUD SAID THAT THE RUSSIANS DID NOT GIVE THE SAG
UNCONDITIONAL ASSURANCES WHEN IT RAISED RUSSIA'S SALES
TO IRAN. THE RUSSIANS SAID THAT FOR ECONOMIC PURPOSES
THEY HAD TO MAKE SALES. HOWEVER, SAUDI ARABIA IS NOT
GOING TO BUY RUSSIAN GOODS.

RESTRICTING NEW CREDIT
--------------


13. PELLETREAU SAID THAT WE HAVE HAD LIMITED SUCCESS IN
OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE G-7 COUNTRIES ABOUT NOT
PROVIDING NEW CREDITS TO IRAN. GERMANY HAD NOT PROVIDED
NEW CREDITS, BUT HAD PAID THE GERMAN COMPANIES TO WHOM
IRAN OWED MONEY, AND THEN RENEGOTIATED IRAN'S PAYMENT
TERMS. IRAN HAD BET THAT OIL PRICES WOULD REMAIN HIGH.
NOW, IT WAS HAVING PROBLEMS. AS A RESULT, OUR POLICY OF
RESTRICTING CREDIT TO IRAN WAS CAUSING IT TO CUT BACK ON
ITS MILITARY PROCUREMENT.

EU'S "CRITICAL DIALOGUE"
--------------


14. PELLETREAU SAID THAT WE HAVE ASKED THE EU WHAT
RESULTS IT HAS TO SHOW FOR ITS "CRITICAL DIALOGUE" WITH
IRAN. THE EUROPEANS TELL US THEY ARE STRENGTHENING THE
MODERATES. HOWEVER, THERE DO NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY
MODERATES WHEN IT COMES TO IRAN'S EXTERNAL POLICY. SAUD
AGREED AND SAID THAT EVEN IRAN'S INTERNAL POLICIES ARE
RESTRICTIVE, INCLUDING AREAS SUCH AS ITS BANKING SYSTEM.

MABUS