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START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA (SFO-GVA-VII): B-1B and
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SUBJECT: START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA (SFO-GVA-VII): B-1B and
SSGN Agreed Statements Meeting, December 10, 2009
CLASSIFIED BY: Rose A. Gottemoeller, Assistant Secretary, Department
of State, VCI; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)
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CIA FOR WINPAC
JSCS FOR J5/DDGSA
SECDEF FOR OSD(P)/STRATCAP
NAVY FOR CNO-N5JA AND DIRSSP
AIRFORCE FOR HQ USAF/ASX AND ASXP
DTRA FOR OP-OS OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR
NSC FOR LOOK
DIA FOR LEA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 2020/02/08
TAGS: PARM KACT MARR PREL RS US
SUBJECT: START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA (SFO-GVA-VII): B-1B and
SSGN Agreed Statements Meeting, December 10, 2009
CLASSIFIED BY: Rose A. Gottemoeller, Assistant Secretary, Department
of State, VCI; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)
1. (U) This is SFO-GVA-VII-123.
2. (U) Meeting Date: December 10, 2009
Time: 3:00 P.M. - 4:00 P.M.
Place: United States Mission, Geneva
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SUMMARY
--------------
3. (S) Dr. Warner and Col Ilin met to discuss Russian responses to
U.S.-proposed Agreed Statements on SSGNs and B-1B heavy bombers.
The Russian side agreed in principle to both statements but offered
some amendments and additional measures. For SSGNs, the additional
measures were that each submarine would remain under the provisions
of the treaty, cease to be subject to the treaty's aggregate
limits, and would be subject to two inspections, after the initial
one-time exhibition, during the life of the treaty. For the B-1Bs,
the Russian side proposed that each B-1B conversion use the
procedures codified in Part III of the Protocol to the START
follow-on treaty in lieu of START procedures, both Ellsworth and
Dyess Air Force Bases remain subject to the provisions of the
treaty as formerly declared facilities, and the sample size for the
annual exhibition would be three B-1Bs. End summary.
4. (U) SUBJECT SUMMARY: SSGN Proposals; and B-1B Proposals.
--------------
SSGN PROPOSALS
--------------
5. (S) Ilin stated that the Russian side had agreed in principle
to the SSGN Agreed Statement and accepted the U.S. text with
additional proposals. Ilin proposed to label the initial one-time
"exhibition" as a "demonstration" in which the Party would
demonstrate to inspectors that the SSGN is not capable of launching
SLBMs. Ilin further rationalized that since the demonstration
would be within the purview of the START Follow-on treaty it would
not be right that the SSGNs be completely removed from the treaty
as the Untied States proposed. Instead, he stated the SSGNs should
not be accountable under the aggregate limits but remain subject to
the broader provisions of the treaty.
6. (S) As part of the annual exhibitions, after the initial
one-time demonstration, Ilin proposed several additional measures.
He proposed to conduct the SSGN inspection during a Type 1
inspection. If an SSGN is captured by the pre-inspection movement
restrictions, then inspectors shall have the right to also conduct
an inspection of the SSGN as well. Warner clarified that the SSGN
inspection would be in lieu of the "empty launcher" allocation for
the Type 1 inspection. Ilin agreed and asserted that instead of
only inspecting one SSGN launcher as proposed by the United States,
inspectors shall have the right to inspect three SSGN launchers.
7. (S) Warner offered that since the SSGNs are not on the bases
very often, the Russian Federation may never get a chance during a
Type 1 inspection to conduct an inspection of an SSGN. Ilin
replied that perhaps both approaches could be used; a combination
of the U.S. exhibition and the Russian Type 1 inspection
opportunity. Ilin further avowed that the inspections shall be a
maximum of two for each SSGN during the life of the treaty as
opposed to the U.S.-proposed one exhibition. Warner mentioned that
the United States inadvertently left off the time limit of when the
initial one-time exhibition would be completed; he said the United
States proposed to complete the initial exhibitions for all four
SSGNs no later than 3 years after entry-into-force of the treaty.
Finally, Ilin stated that the same procedures agreed to in the
Agreed Statement would apply to future exhibitions for newly
converted SSBNs.
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B-1B PROPOSALS
--------------
8. (S) Ilin relayed that the Russian side agreed in principle to
the B-1B Agreed Statement. However, he said that the procedures to
convert B-1Bs to a heavy bomber equipped for non-nuclear armaments
should be the new procedures developed in the Part of the Protocol
on Conversion or Elimination and not the old START procedures.
Warner remarked that 43 of the 66 B-1Bs planned for conversion have
completed the conversion process and the other 23 should be
completed by the Fall of 2010.
9. (S) Ilin proposed a series of measures once the B-1Bs have all
been converted. He stated that both Ellsworth and Dyess Air Force
Bases should become "formerly declared facilities." Warner
corrected that the appropriate term would be "eliminated
facilities." Ilin asserted that the purpose of keeping the
facilities accountable is to make them inspectable under Type 2
inspections to confirm there are no heavy bombers equipped for
nuclear armaments present. Furthermore, he said that these
formerly declared facility inspections would be conducted within
the Type 2 quotas to ensure the facilities are not being used for
purposes inconsistent with the treaty.
10. (S) Warner asked about the number of B-1Bs the Russian side
proposed be available for inspection and to inspect during the
annual exhibition. Ilin said that the total number of B-1Bs
present for the exhibition should be similar to START which was 70
percent, and from those the inspectors will select three to
inspect. Additionally, Ilin proposed during the conduct of a Type
1 inspection, if a visiting B-1B should be present, that the B-1B
shall be available for inspection. Finally, should new types of
heavy bombers be converted to a non-nuclear configuration, such
heavy bombers shall be covered by the procedures contained in the
Agreed Statement.
11. (S) Documents exchanged: None.
12. (U) Participants:
UNITED STATES
Dr. Warner
Mr. Buttrick
Lt Col Comeau (RO)
Mr. Dean
Ms. Gross (Int)
RUSSIA:
Col Ilin
Gen Orlov
Gen Poznikhir
Col Zaitsev
Ms. Evarovskaya (Int)
13. (U) Gottemoeller sends.
LARSON
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DOE FOR NNSA/NA-24
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JSCS FOR J5/DDGSA
SECDEF FOR OSD(P)/STRATCAP
NAVY FOR CNO-N5JA AND DIRSSP
AIRFORCE FOR HQ USAF/ASX AND ASXP
DTRA FOR OP-OS OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR
NSC FOR LOOK
DIA FOR LEA
E.O. 12958: DECL: 2020/02/08
TAGS: PARM KACT MARR PREL RS US
SUBJECT: START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA (SFO-GVA-VII): B-1B and
SSGN Agreed Statements Meeting, December 10, 2009
CLASSIFIED BY: Rose A. Gottemoeller, Assistant Secretary, Department
of State, VCI; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)
1. (U) This is SFO-GVA-VII-123.
2. (U) Meeting Date: December 10, 2009
Time: 3:00 P.M. - 4:00 P.M.
Place: United States Mission, Geneva
--------------
SUMMARY
--------------
3. (S) Dr. Warner and Col Ilin met to discuss Russian responses to
U.S.-proposed Agreed Statements on SSGNs and B-1B heavy bombers.
The Russian side agreed in principle to both statements but offered
some amendments and additional measures. For SSGNs, the additional
measures were that each submarine would remain under the provisions
of the treaty, cease to be subject to the treaty's aggregate
limits, and would be subject to two inspections, after the initial
one-time exhibition, during the life of the treaty. For the B-1Bs,
the Russian side proposed that each B-1B conversion use the
procedures codified in Part III of the Protocol to the START
follow-on treaty in lieu of START procedures, both Ellsworth and
Dyess Air Force Bases remain subject to the provisions of the
treaty as formerly declared facilities, and the sample size for the
annual exhibition would be three B-1Bs. End summary.
4. (U) SUBJECT SUMMARY: SSGN Proposals; and B-1B Proposals.
--------------
SSGN PROPOSALS
--------------
5. (S) Ilin stated that the Russian side had agreed in principle
to the SSGN Agreed Statement and accepted the U.S. text with
additional proposals. Ilin proposed to label the initial one-time
"exhibition" as a "demonstration" in which the Party would
demonstrate to inspectors that the SSGN is not capable of launching
SLBMs. Ilin further rationalized that since the demonstration
would be within the purview of the START Follow-on treaty it would
not be right that the SSGNs be completely removed from the treaty
as the Untied States proposed. Instead, he stated the SSGNs should
not be accountable under the aggregate limits but remain subject to
the broader provisions of the treaty.
6. (S) As part of the annual exhibitions, after the initial
one-time demonstration, Ilin proposed several additional measures.
He proposed to conduct the SSGN inspection during a Type 1
inspection. If an SSGN is captured by the pre-inspection movement
restrictions, then inspectors shall have the right to also conduct
an inspection of the SSGN as well. Warner clarified that the SSGN
inspection would be in lieu of the "empty launcher" allocation for
the Type 1 inspection. Ilin agreed and asserted that instead of
only inspecting one SSGN launcher as proposed by the United States,
inspectors shall have the right to inspect three SSGN launchers.
7. (S) Warner offered that since the SSGNs are not on the bases
very often, the Russian Federation may never get a chance during a
Type 1 inspection to conduct an inspection of an SSGN. Ilin
replied that perhaps both approaches could be used; a combination
of the U.S. exhibition and the Russian Type 1 inspection
opportunity. Ilin further avowed that the inspections shall be a
maximum of two for each SSGN during the life of the treaty as
opposed to the U.S.-proposed one exhibition. Warner mentioned that
the United States inadvertently left off the time limit of when the
initial one-time exhibition would be completed; he said the United
States proposed to complete the initial exhibitions for all four
SSGNs no later than 3 years after entry-into-force of the treaty.
Finally, Ilin stated that the same procedures agreed to in the
Agreed Statement would apply to future exhibitions for newly
converted SSBNs.
--------------
B-1B PROPOSALS
--------------
8. (S) Ilin relayed that the Russian side agreed in principle to
the B-1B Agreed Statement. However, he said that the procedures to
convert B-1Bs to a heavy bomber equipped for non-nuclear armaments
should be the new procedures developed in the Part of the Protocol
on Conversion or Elimination and not the old START procedures.
Warner remarked that 43 of the 66 B-1Bs planned for conversion have
completed the conversion process and the other 23 should be
completed by the Fall of 2010.
9. (S) Ilin proposed a series of measures once the B-1Bs have all
been converted. He stated that both Ellsworth and Dyess Air Force
Bases should become "formerly declared facilities." Warner
corrected that the appropriate term would be "eliminated
facilities." Ilin asserted that the purpose of keeping the
facilities accountable is to make them inspectable under Type 2
inspections to confirm there are no heavy bombers equipped for
nuclear armaments present. Furthermore, he said that these
formerly declared facility inspections would be conducted within
the Type 2 quotas to ensure the facilities are not being used for
purposes inconsistent with the treaty.
10. (S) Warner asked about the number of B-1Bs the Russian side
proposed be available for inspection and to inspect during the
annual exhibition. Ilin said that the total number of B-1Bs
present for the exhibition should be similar to START which was 70
percent, and from those the inspectors will select three to
inspect. Additionally, Ilin proposed during the conduct of a Type
1 inspection, if a visiting B-1B should be present, that the B-1B
shall be available for inspection. Finally, should new types of
heavy bombers be converted to a non-nuclear configuration, such
heavy bombers shall be covered by the procedures contained in the
Agreed Statement.
11. (S) Documents exchanged: None.
12. (U) Participants:
UNITED STATES
Dr. Warner
Mr. Buttrick
Lt Col Comeau (RO)
Mr. Dean
Ms. Gross (Int)
RUSSIA:
Col Ilin
Gen Orlov
Gen Poznikhir
Col Zaitsev
Ms. Evarovskaya (Int)
13. (U) Gottemoeller sends.
LARSON