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09TUNIS407
2009-06-19 17:18:00
SECRET
Embassy Tunis
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GOT SEEKS RETURN OF TUNISIAN GUANTANAMO DETAINEES

Tags:  PHUM PREL KDRG PTER TS 
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S E C R E T TUNIS 000407 

SIPDIS

STATE FOR NEA/MAG
DRL: KMCGEENEY, S/WIC ARICCI
DOD/OSD:ALIOTTA, DOJ/ODAG:MSTRANSKY

E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/19/2029
TAGS: PHUM PREL KDRG PTER TS
SUBJECT: GOT SEEKS RETURN OF TUNISIAN GUANTANAMO DETAINEES

REF: A. TUNIS 399

B. TUNIS 32

C. 08 TUNIS 1137

D. 08 TUNIS 1110

E. 08 TUNIS 1052

F. 08 SECTO 8

Classified By: Ambassador Robert F. Godec, Reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)

S E C R E T TUNIS 000407

SIPDIS

STATE FOR NEA/MAG
DRL: KMCGEENEY, S/WIC ARICCI
DOD/OSD:ALIOTTA, DOJ/ODAG:MSTRANSKY

E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/19/2029
TAGS: PHUM PREL KDRG PTER TS
SUBJECT: GOT SEEKS RETURN OF TUNISIAN GUANTANAMO DETAINEES

REF: A. TUNIS 399

B. TUNIS 32

C. 08 TUNIS 1137

D. 08 TUNIS 1110

E. 08 TUNIS 1052

F. 08 SECTO 8

Classified By: Ambassador Robert F. Godec, Reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)


1. (S) Summary: Saying he was acting at the request of
President Ben Ali, Foreign Minister Abdallah told the
Ambassador late June 18 that the GOT would like the United
States to return all Tunisian Guantanamo detainees to
Tunisia. Sending Tunisians to third countries (Italy,
Germany and most recently Spain) is not acceptable: doing so
would give the impression Tunisia will not take them and/or
that Tunisia will mistreat them. Abdallah repeated previous
assurances about appropriate treatment of transferees but
ruled out any US Government access to the prisoners after
transfer. He said that President Ben Ali had repeated to
Abdallah that morning that the GOT would release the
detainees if the United States wished. The Ambassador said
he would inform Washington of the GOT's request and asked,
once again, for access to the first two detainees and all
future transferees. Mission recommends that Washington
agencies consider offering to transfer the Tunisians
detainees, but only if the GOT agrees to unrestricted access
to them. While access would not provide an absolute
guarantee of appropriate treatment, it would offer some
additional protection to the transferees. End Summary

Transfers to Third Countries Unacceptable
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2. (S) The Ambassador was convoked late June 18 by Foreign
Minister Abdelwaheb Abdallah who expressed Tunisian concern
with reports that the United States was seeking to tranfer
Tunisian citizen Guantanamo Bay deainees to European
countries including Italy, Gemany and possibly to Spain.
One or more of the cuntries had notified the GOT about the
possibiliy. Abdallah said that transfering Tunisian
detainees to other countries is not acceptable: doing so
would give the impression Tunisia will not take hem and/or
that Tunisia will mistreat them.

3 (S) Tunisia wants the return of its detained citzens and

would try them as appropriate in public trials open to both
dometic and foreign observers Abdallah said. He added the
GOT would provide hem all the rights and guarantees provided
to Tuisian prisoners, including access by their familie and
attorneys, repeating language previously used (rfs. D-F).
He noted that Tunisia is a signatory to all the relevant
onventions and that for four years the International
Committee of the Red Cross has had access to al detention
centers in the country (Comment: see ef A in which the ICRC
states it does not have acess to all Ministry of the
Interior facilities. The US Government's unwillingness to
transfer detainees to Tunisia suggests that the GOT is not
eliable and runs a country that does not respect te law.
The Minister said that Tunisia is not Sibria in the days of
the Soviet Union. If the Unied States believes that Tunisia
has problems such as torture or mistreatment, President Ben
Ali prviously offered to then Secretary Rice to release he
Guantanamo detainees. In fact he repeated tht proposal that
very morning to Abdallah, the Miister stated. Abdallah
added that there was no rason for the GOT to mistreat
returned detainees iven that any crimes they may have
committed occurred outside of Tunisia.

USG Access Not Possible
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4. (S) Abdallah asked the Ambassador to convey his demarche
to Washington with "insistence", adding he has asked
Ambassador Mansour to deliver the same demarche in
Washington. The question that is raised when reports suggest
that the Tunisians are to be sent to third countries is
whether the GOT refused them. Abdallah recalled that
Secretary Rice had asked for Embassy access to the two
detainees that had been previously returned. Abdallah
repeated previous statements (refs. B-E) that Tunisian law
does not permit such access and that it was not possible to
establish such a precedent. He noted that the most reports
of torture have emanated from Guantanamo, which in itself was
hard to accept, and that American reasoning about the
detainees in Tunisia was not very logical. He said it was in
the interest of both countries and good relations for the
United States to reconsider its approach to third countries.
He added that the new Administration had shown lots of
understanding of the region, created many openings and
adopted fresh perspectives. Abdallah called on the United
States to look at the Tunisian request with goodwill and
attention. If the United States has questions, they would
answer. Abdallah noted that he was raising this matter after
President Ben Ali had asked him to speak to "our American
friends."

Access Would Help
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5. (S) The Ambassador promised to transmit Abdallah's
demarche faithfully to Washington. The US Government was
seized with the issues surrounding the decision to close the
Guantanamo Bay detention center. The Ambassador said he was
aware of press reports of possible transfers of Tunisians,
had no official information to convey on the issue, but would
request it. The Minister confirmed that other countries had
already raised it with him. The Ambassador replied that
there have been allegations of mistreatment of one of the
detainees previously transferred, notably during the initial
detention (garde a vue) period. The allegations were an
important problem. The US Government being permitted to have
contact with the detainees after they are transferred could
be helpful, and that many countries permitted such contact.


6. (S) The Minister asked "unofficially" whether the
Ambassador truly believed that allegations of mistreatment
would stop even if the United States had regular access to
the prisoners. He added that there would always be such
allegations saying that it is part of Al-Qaida's tactics to
assert such mistreatment as part of their propaganda. They
used such allegations to justify their calls for violence
against Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and Egypt saying that they were
fighting the violence of those governments. Prison visits
will not make the claims go away. The Ambassador replied
that the torture conventions imposed a continuing obligation
on the United States after any transfer is made.


7. (S) Abdallah called the logic of a continuing
responsibility hard to accept especially given that the
original arrests and detentions were very doubtful and
outside a juridical framework. The United States should
reconsider for the situation is unacceptable and gives the
impression that Tunisia does not want its citizens. Abdallah
said he had told then Under Secretary Nicholas Burns that
they would take any Tunisian citizen no matter how
undesirable the individual was and noted to the Ambassador
that the concept of banishment from a country had been
eliminated in the 19th century and is not acceptable in the
modern age. He closed by saying that he had been amazed that
Secretary Rice had called him about Guantanamo just two weeks
before leaving office and that he hoped the issue can be
finally closed.

Public Statement Issued
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8. (U) In an article dated June 18, the official Tunis
Afrique Press press agency released a statement by the
Ministry of Justice and Human Rights that followed the lines
of the Minister's comments but uses some strong language with
respect to the United States and unnamed (European)
countries. The communique praises the closing of the
Guantanamo detention center while describing it as having
violated the detainee rights. It alleges that the aim of
third country transfers is designed to hide the abuses that
the detainees suffered while in detention and the complicity
of countries that helped facilitate transfers to Guantanamo.
It rejects allegations that human rights are violated in
Tunisia. It points out that detention in Guantanamo does not
necessarily translate to detention in Tunisia and that the
two previous transferees had sentences levied against them in
abstentia reduced on appeal. The communique closes by citing
a Tunisian who was returned to Tunisia from Canada as living
in peace with his family despite allegations "from certain
quarters" that he would be abused. The full text of the
communique can be found at www.tap.info.tn/en.

Comment
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9. (S) The fear of public embarrassment that would result


from the transfer of Tunisian detainees to third countries
has the GOT very concerned. True to form, they are showing
once again that they dislike anything that would publicly
tarnish their oft-repeated image of perfection.
Notwithstanding the tough line that the GOT has adopted on
post transfer access, their public relations concerns may
trump that position in the end. Mission recommends
Washington agencies consider responding with a proposed
transfer conditioned upon regular and guaranteed access by US
Government personnel. If Washington decides to proceed with
such an approach, it would be helpful if it were accompanied
by a paper explaining international legal obligations. While
it is possible the GOT may be unwilling to swallow that pill,
their image concerns in an "election" year may sway them.
Even if they accept that approach, we are under no illusion
that would constitute an absolute guarantee of no
mistreatment, especially in the first few days when the
detainees are in MOI custody. Nevertheless, access would, we
believe, offer some additional protection to transferees.
Finally, we note as we have on previous occasions that if we
transfer detainees, regardless of the assurances we receive
from the GOT about their treatment, some international NGO's
may make inflated claims of abuse and accuse the US
Government of violating its international obligations. End
Comment
Godec