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09SKOPJE16
2009-01-14 12:57:00
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Embassy Skopje
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MACEDONIA: CODEL POE HEARS GOVERNMENT, OPPOSITION,

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E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: PREL PGOV NATO MK
SUBJECT: MACEDONIA: CODEL POE HEARS GOVERNMENT, OPPOSITION,
AND LOCAL VIEWS ON THE NAME DISPUTE

REF: SKOPJE 696

SUMMARY
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E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: PREL PGOV NATO MK
SUBJECT: MACEDONIA: CODEL POE HEARS GOVERNMENT, OPPOSITION,
AND LOCAL VIEWS ON THE NAME DISPUTE

REF: SKOPJE 696

SUMMARY
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1. (SBU) In meetings on December 17 and 18, local and
national political leaders briefed Representative Ted Poe
(R-TX) on their views of the name dispute with Greece and
challenges to its resolution. Speaker of the Parliament
Veljanovski and leading opposition MP Sekerinska concurred
that Macedonia's key redline is the use of the adjective
"Macedonian" to describe the country,s nationality and
language. Despite agreement on that redline, the two offered
quite different assessments of the causes of stagnation or
backsliding on progress toward a resolution. Macedonia's
Ambassador to the U.S. -- and newly-appointed name negotiator
-- Jolevski hinted at a possible hardened government position
and potential new redlines, while Dragi Delev, Mayor of the
border city of Gevgelija, explained that local-level cross
border relations are good, and that citizens on both sides
want their leaders to be flexible in the negotiations and
focused on what is most important to them -- economic
development, education, services and infrastructure. End
Summary.


2. (U) Congressman Ted Poe visited Macedonia Dec. 17-19, and
held meetings with Parliament Speaker Trajko Veljanovski,
opposition MP and former SDSM party leader Radmila
Sekerinska, Macedonian Ambassador to the U.S. (and negotiator
on the name issue) Zoran Jolevski, Mayor of Gevgelija Dragi
Delev, and Ambassador Reeker and Embassy staff.

Sekerinska and Veljanovski: Opposition and Government
Redlines the Same, but Strategies Differ
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3. (SBU) SDSM MP Sekerinska described the current political
and economic environment in Macedonia as
worse than before the April 2008 NATO summit, saying that
citizens are becoming increasingly cynical and
disappointed. She asserted that the current government's
policies and actions have "fed the Greek rhetoric," creating
an environment in which a mutually-acceptable resolution to
the name dispute is virtually impossible. Sekerinska called
for the government to set aside popularity polls and make
tough decisions for the sake of the country's progress. As
an example of the type of statesmanship she feels is lacking

in this government, she cited SDSM's support for the Ohrid
Framework Agreement in the critical months following its
signing, saying hers was the only ethnic Macedonian party
"that stood by the agreement even when others called it
treasonous" in order to create a better environment for
inter-ethnic relations. While she noted that while no
Macedonian would say he or she "likes" the idea of a compound
name such as "Upper Macedonia" or "North Macedonia," a
compromise with Greece will require as much. She indicated
her party is flexible on the name, but has redlines requiring
the use of "Macedonian" as the adjective to describe the
country,s language and nationality.


4. (SBU) Speaker of Parliament Veljanovski
offered Congressman Poe a similar view of redlines on the
name issue, saying "no politician here would ever enter
into a discussion of a potential agreement that takes away
our identity as Macedonians." While the opposition suggested
that the current government is not fully committed to
continuing efforts to ensure NATO membership, Veljanovski
stated that the government has and will continue to make
every effort to see the name issue resolved, saying that the
government will take "all necessary steps" to become a member
of NATO, including continued domestic reforms. He added that
he "expects that in 2009, in some way, Macedonia will become
a NATO member." Unlike opposition leaders, Veljanovski does
not view his government's actions as provocative or harmful
to the environment for potential resolution of the name
dispute. He indicated that Macedonia's filing against Greece
in the International Court of Justice for violating the 1995
Interim Accord (reftel) is not intended to sideline
discussions on a possible agreement on the name. "Its only
purpose," Veljanovski stated, "is to show that the Accord was
violated, and we realize that could take years."

New Name Negotiator Sticks to Firm Line
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5. (SBU) At a lunch meeting on December 18, Macedonia's
Ambassador to the U.S. and newly-appointed name negotiator
Zoran Jolevski (in Skopje on consultations) offered
illustrative stories and questions that suggest continuing
inflexibility of the government position on the name dispute.

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After telling the story of his son's storming out of a
Washington, D.C. retailer because the cashier "insisted upon
calling Macedonia 'FYROM'," Jolevski asked "how can
Macedonians be expected to live with a name on their
passports that offends them every day when it will never be
seen by most of the Greeks who are offended by 'Republic of
Macedonia'?" He also shared concerns about the use of any
new name (such as "North Macedonia") in international
organizations, saying "we cannot agree to be called a name
that offends us." Jolevski concurred with opposition
leaders' view that the environment for compromise between
Macedonia and Greece has deteriorated over the past two
years, but said little of the blame for that falls on his
government: "Greece has chosen to make the Macedonia issue
the top issue in their domestic politics."

Mayor of Gevgelija: Cross-Border Relations are Good at
the Local Level
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6. (SBU) Dragi Delev, Mayor of border city Gevgelija,
indicated that individual and civic-level cross border
relations are good. "As a border area, we must be flexible
on the name dispute," Delev offered, "since we understand the
importance of economic links and we realize that we all must
live in this region peacefully and cooperatively." A former
history teacher, Delev offered an equally moderate view of
the region's shared history, saying "Alexander the Great was
an international person who did not belong to the Greeks or
the Macedonians, but to history." In order to improve the
environment for agreement between the two nations, Delev
suggested that both sides should "worry about health care,
education, and employment of citizens" rather than what he
described as "competitive statue-building."


7. (U) CODEL Poe cleared this cable.
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