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2009-07-28 08:39:00
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AMBASSADOR ERIC GOOSBY'S MEETING WITH THE SOUTH AFRICAN

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R 280839Z JUL 09
FM AMEMBASSY PRETORIA
TO SECSTATE WASHDC 9169
INFO AMCONSUL CAPE TOWN 
AMCONSUL JOHANNESBURG 
AMCONSUL DURBAN 
DEPT OF HHS WASHDC
CDC ATLANTA GA 2475
SOUTHERN AF DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY COLLECTIVE
UNCLAS PRETORIA 001519 


USAID FOR BUREAU OF GLOBAL HEALTH AND AFR/SA
HHS/PHS FOR OFFICE OF GLOBAL HEALTH AFFAIRS JKULAKOWSKI
CDC FOR GLOBAL HEALTH OFFICE SBLOUNT
NIH FOR JHERRINGTON

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: TBIO PGOV AMED KSTH KSCA KHIV SENV SF
SUBJECT: AMBASSADOR ERIC GOOSBY'S MEETING WITH THE SOUTH AFRICAN
MINISTER OF HEALTH

REF: 08 Pretoria 2643

UNCLAS PRETORIA 001519


USAID FOR BUREAU OF GLOBAL HEALTH AND AFR/SA
HHS/PHS FOR OFFICE OF GLOBAL HEALTH AFFAIRS JKULAKOWSKI
CDC FOR GLOBAL HEALTH OFFICE SBLOUNT
NIH FOR JHERRINGTON

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: TBIO PGOV AMED KSTH KSCA KHIV SENV SF
SUBJECT: AMBASSADOR ERIC GOOSBY'S MEETING WITH THE SOUTH AFRICAN
MINISTER OF HEALTH

REF: 08 Pretoria 2643


1. Summary: On July 19, Office of Global AIDS Coordinator,
Ambassador Eric Goosby met with recently appointed South African
Minister of Health Aaron Motsoaledi. Minister Motsoaledi was
accompanied by Department of Health Deputy Director General Yogan
Pillay. The meeting took place on the margins of the International
AIDS Society Conference in Cape Town, South Africa.


2. Ambassador Goosby started the conversation by noting that
international health issues were important to the Obama
Administration. He emphasized that South Africa's needs are also
important and the U.S. would like to work with South Africa as a
model for other countries in the region. He said the U.S. hopes
that South Africa might be in a position to offer technical
assistance to other countries in the region. The United States also
has a high level of interest in working with South Africa to ensure
that health strategies and development strategies are converged. In
these matters, Ambassador Goosby said, the USG hopes to engage in a
long term dialogue.


3. Minister Motsoaledi thanked Ambassador Goosby for the visit and
confirmed that health is also a key priority for South Africa's new
government. He noted that U.N. AIDS representative Michel Sidibe
had also suggested that South Africa serve as a model for the
African continent. Minister Motsoaledi then spoke on the subject of
the administration and organization of South Africa's fight against
HIV/AIDS.


4. He noted that the Deputy President of South Africa, Kgalema
Motlanthe, is the Deputy Chairman of the South African National AIDS
Coalition (SANAC). Deputy President Motlanthe was "painfully aware"
that there was a lack of focus and incessant infighting over the
HIV/AIDS issue in the past. "We wasted too many precious years,"
said the Deputy President. The Deputy President was also aware of
the significant role that South Africa plays in the regional
context.


5. Minister Motsoaledi then noted how many foreigners were working
in South Africa, especially in the mining industry. TB is a special
problem among migrant mine workers, and the burden of HIV is very
high in the country. When migrant workers return to their
countries, they bring with them various infections. Thus, if South
Africa is not able to manage its healthcare problems, it will
certainly impact the rest of the region.


6. The Minister explained more about SANAC's role. He said that all
elements of South African society were represented in SANAC:
non-profits, government, laboratories, education, civil society,
private sector, etc. He noted that the Department of Health would
work within the National Strategic Plan that SANAC had prepared.
The specific goals of the plan were, by 2011, (a) to cut the rate of
new infections by 50 percent and (b) to provide treatment to 85
percent of the patient population.


7. The Minister then spoke on the issue of funding. He started this
discussion by recalling that the Free State had suddenly run out of
funding for ARVs, almost forcing patients to stop treatment in the
middle of their programs. There was a high possibility of similar
disruptions in six of the other nine provinces in the near term.
The USG funded drugs for Free State on an emergency basis and
prevented a stock out.


8. The Department of Health has started to work with the Treatment
Action Committee (TAC) as a good partner. TAC is advocating that
treatment be given when the CD4 count falls to 350, up from 200 as
stated in current policy. They want faster uptake. They are
advocating for more second line drugs. Finally, they were adamant
that financial and administrative problems such as those of the Free
State be avoided at all costs in the future. Minister Motsoaledi
acknowledged that he had to agree with many of the TAC's
recommendations and the challenges they raise keep him awake at
night.


9. The Minister also acknowledged that South Africa's HIV/AIDS
program has significant management challenges. Human Resources are
a huge issue. Indeed, many of South Africa's neighbors are doing
better on doctor and nurse training than relatively-wealthy South
Africa. Many of these HR issues are rooted in the former system of
Bantu education under which Africans were not allowed to learn math
or science. Reversing the effects of Bantu education will take many
years.


10. The Minister continued to say that he was very grateful for the
support of all development partners. A new position as the CEO of
SANAC has been created. In the Minister's words, they have chosen
an excellent person for this position, which would be at an equal
level to the Director General in the Department. The SANAC CEO will
be responsible for meeting the SANAC goals, including those of
women's health and TB. Ideally, HIV and TB could be treated in the
same facilities.


11. Ambassador Goosby asked if SANAC will help with setting the
priorities and implementing programs, if policies will be developed
by SANAC under the (nominal) leadership of the Deputy President of
South Africa, and if the SANAC CEO is responsible for implementation
of those policies.


12. The Minister confirmed that this was the intent, but there was a
transitional process currently underway. The intent was to move to
an arrangement where the SANAC CEO had full responsibility for
implementation of HIV/AIDS policies and the Department was only one
constituent part of SANAC. With regards to HIV/AIDS, "the
Department of Health will operate under the SANAC umbrella." The
Minister noted that there have been too many plans. Now is the time
to implement and then evaluate weaknesses. "We don't need any more
T-shirts," the Minister said.


13. In response to Ambassador Goosby's query of how the U.S. might
assist, the Minister replied that they were finalizing a plan to
bring a total of 1.4 million individuals into treatment programs by

2011. However, the budget gap is a huge problem, especially as
there are so many other competing needs. The Minister again raised
the specter of the Free State and noted that running out of money to
pay for ARVs is his most urgent fear. In addition, communication
and social mobilization is urgently needed to cut new infections by
50 percent. Deputy Director General Pillay then noted that
information systems to evaluate programs are also a high priority.


14. Ambassador Goosby asked the Minister to further discuss specific
concerns about resources. The Minister returned to the issue of the
Free State precedent. He noted that South Africa was running out of
money to purchase ARVs and that there might very well be funding
gaps in the near future. Minister Motsoaledi admitted that, to a
certain extent, this was due to bad planning. He noted that they
were working very hard to improve their planning and budgeting
process to ensure that funding gaps did not happen again in the
future, but in the immediate term they were vulnerable.


15. Ambassador Goosby asked if the Minister had discussed the issue
with other funders. Minister Motsoaledi replied that he hoped to
discuss the situation with the Global Fund and others.


16. Ambassador Goosby then asked if the Department had maximized
their purchasing power by buying generic drugs. The Minister
replied that sometimes the Ministry purchased drugs by tender at
prices that were above global prices. He explained that this was
due to industrial policy. Also, he noted that the WTO Trade Related
Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) might sometimes be an issue
that led to higher purchase prices. However, he noted that they
"were not married" to a particular tender system and that it was
possible that they could reduce purchase prices further.


17. Minister Motsoaledi continued by comparing his role as Minister
of Health to his previous job as MEC for Education in Limpopo. In
his former job, he was required to purchase text books at above
market prices. He complained to his Provincial Premier, noting that
his primary responsibility was to teach children - not support text
book manufacturers and he was permitted to buy text books at market
prices. The drug tender situation might be similar.


18. Minister Motsoaledi explained that DDG Pillay was in the final
stages of completing analysis on the immediate term funding short
fall and that he would be able to provide accurate information on
the South African funding gap by next week. Pillay complained that
it was hard to piece together all of the Provincial data due to the
lack of a real-time, system-wide information network. Pillay also
commented that British entrepreneur Richard Branson was interested
in helping to develop such an IT network. The DDG suggested that he
would be happy to share the result of his funding gap analysis with
the PEPFAR team within the next week.


19. Ambassador Goosby closed the meeting by noting that the United
States is seeking partnerships that enable governments to carry out
effective programs. He said that the U.S. government would like a
common platform of work with Ministries of Health that starts from
the premise of cooperation with an exit strategy. Ambassador Goosby
continued by saying the USG would like to support Ministries to
build administrative and management capabilities and would like to
expand capacity to help implement your vision and meet your unmet
needs. While this process might be slower (than directly funding
NGOs),it is also more durable. In this way, he said, the U.S.
hopes to be able to expand capacity to meet increased demand, but
not at the expense of reducing quality. Ambassador Goosby added that
through this means the U.S. hopes to engage South Africa and
increase mutual trust. He concluded by saying the USG would like to
build the relationship so that South Africa can reveal issues of
greatest concern in a trusting environment.


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