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09HANOI895
2009-11-10 04:25:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Hanoi
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Deputy Secretary Steinberg's September 27, 2009 Conversation

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SUBJECT: Deputy Secretary Steinberg's September 27, 2009 Conversation
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CLASSIFIED BY: Michael Michalak, Ambassador; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)

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SUBJECT: Deputy Secretary Steinberg's September 27, 2009 Conversation
with Vietnam Minister of Defense Phung Quang Thanh

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CLASSIFIED BY: Michael Michalak, Ambassador; REASON: 1.4(B),(D)


1. (SBU) September 27, 2009; 9:30 a.m.; Ministry of Defense,
Hanoi, Vietnam.




2. (SBU) Participants:



U.S.

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The Deputy Secretary

Ambassador Michael Michalak, U.S. Embassy Hanoi

Joseph Donovan, Principal Deputy Assistance Secretary, EAP

Scot Marciel, Deputy Assistant Secretary, EAP

Rear Admiral Charles Leidig, Joint Chiefs of Staff

Ambassador Joseph DeTrani, Directorate of National Intelligence

Derek Mitchell, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense

Clifford Reed, S/ES-O

Harry Kamian, Political Counselor, U.S. Embassy Hanoi

Colonel Patrick Reardon, Defense Attache, U.S. Embassy Hanoi

Pamela Park, Special Assistant to the Deputy Secretary

Jane Bocklage, Political Officer, U.S. Embassy Hanoi (notetaker)



VIETNAM

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Lieutenant General Phung Quang Thanh, Minister of Defense

Lieutenant General Pham Thanh Lan, Director, External Relations
Department, Ministry of Defense

Colonel Nguyen Quang Vinh, Deputy Chief, America Oceania Africa
Division, External Relations Department, Ministry of Defense




3. (C) SUMMARY: In a meeting September 27, Vietnam's Defense
Minister Phung Quang Thanh assured the Deputy Secretary that while
military cooperation with the United States remained a sensitive
matter -- both internally and in its relations with China --
Vietnam's leadership had made a decision to move forward. Twice
referring to United States as a "significant partner," Thanh
affirmed that U.S. engagement contributed to regional peace and
security and said that he looked forward to visiting Washington,
perhaps by the "end of the year." He also reiterated an invitation
for Secretary Gates to visit Hanoi and encouraged the United States
to attend a meeting of the ASEAN defense ministers in 2010. The

Deputy Secretary emphasized the importance of the bilateral defense
relationship and encouraged Vietnam, in particular, to participate
more actively in global peacekeeping. Thanh stressed that Vietnam
was committed to peacekeeping, adding that Vietnam's leadership had
instructed the MFA to identify missions suitable for Vietnamese
participation. However, when specifically asked about Vietnam's
participation in the 2010 Global Peace Operations Initiative (GPOI)
Capstone exercise in Cambodia, Thanh conceded that Vietnam was only
prepared to send observers. The two sides exchanged views on
challenges to regional security, including tensions in the South
China Sea, agreed on the utility of IMET programs to provide
English-language for Vietnamese soldiers, and said they would
consider elevating the level of participation in the DOD-MOD
Defense Policy Dialogue. Alluding to the September 21-22 shadowing
of the USNS VICTORIOUS, the Deputy Secretary emphasized the need
for open communication to avoid unfortunate incidents. END

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SUMMARY.



A "Significant Partner"

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4. (SBU) Meeting September 27, the Deputy Secretary and Vietnam's
Defense Minister Phung Quang Thanh agreed that the bilateral
defense relationship had progressed significantly. The Deputy
Secretary emphasized that U.S. engagement in the region was not
targeted at any particular country and served to increase the
stability and prosperity of the region as a whole. Thanh
emphasized that while military cooperation remained a sensitive
matter -- both internally and in Vietnam's relations with China --
Vietnam's leadership had made a decision to move forward. In two
separate points in the conversation, Thanh explicitly referred to
the United States as a "significant partner" and affirmed that
Vietnam wanted the United States to contribute actively to regional
peace and security. Injecting a note of caution, Thanh stressed
that Vietnam's relationship with the United States was not directed
at any third party (a clear reference to China) and would be
conducted with Vietnam's independence firmly in mind. Still, the
tenor of Thanh's remarks was decidedly positive, including a
favorable mention of the April fly-out of senior MOD officials to
the U.S. aircraft carrier Stennis. Thanh said he looked forwarded
to rescheduling his postponed trip to the United States, perhaps by
the "end of the year" and repeated an invitation for Secretary
Gates to visit Vietnam. He specifically extended an invitation for
the Secretary to attend a meeting of ASEAN defense ministers in
Hanoi next year. The Deputy Secretary noted that the Defense
Secretary enjoyed his meeting with Thanh at the Shangri-La in May
and offered to convey Thanh's invitation.



Challenges to Regional Security

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5. (SBU) DefMin Thanh shared Vietnam's perspective on regional
security issues, noting that while Southeast Asia as a whole was
stable, there remained a number of significant challenges: piracy
in the Malacca Strait; terrorism in Indonesia, the Philippines, and
Thailand; and border disputes (e.g. between Thailand and Cambodia
over the Preah Vihear temple). In addition, domestic instability
in neighboring countries like Thailand -- while an internal matter
-- could cause instability in the region. (He encouraged the
United States to work with Vietnam to help address these concerns
when Vietnam takes over as ASEAN Chair in 2010.



South China Sea

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6. (SBU) Moving to the South China Sea, referred to in Vietnam as
the "East Sea," Thanh emphasized that while Vietnam was committed
to resolving disputes peacefully and in accord with the 1982 UN
Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS),it was also determined
to "protect its territory." Thanh emphasized the importance of the
area to international shipping and encouraged the United States to
play an active role in maintaining stability. The Deputy Secretary
reaffirmed that while the United States took no position on the
competing legal/territorial claims, it encouraged the peaceful
settlement of disputes, in accordance with international law.



USNS VICTORIOUS

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7. (C) The Deputy Secretary stressed that while the United States
and Vietnam might have interpret UNCLOS differently as it applies
to Exclusive Economic Zones, it was vitally important to resolve
these issues through open communication and in a way that builds
trust. Alluding to the September 21-22 shadowing and harassment of
the U.S. Ocean Surveillance Ship VICTORIOUS (reftel),the Deputy
Secretary underscored that recent misunderstandings highlighted the
need for dialogue so as to prevent "unfortunate accidents" that
might damage the overall relationship. Thanh declined to comment
specifically on the incident, but agreed on the need for
"guidelines to avoid disputes and build understanding."



Peacekeeping: Encouraging Words, but Still Observing

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8. (SBU) DefMin Thanh asserted that as a non-permanent member of
the UN Security Council, Vietnam had come to understand its
responsibilities and was prepared to participate in international
peacekeeping operations under the auspices of the United Nations.
The government had instructed the MFA to develop a project for
Vietnam to eventually participate in UN peacekeeping operations.
From the MOD's perspective, Vietnam could participate in demining,
military, medicine, and reconstruction. (Note: By government, it
was unclear whether Thanh meant the Prime Minister or the Office of
Government. End note.) Thanh added that Vietnam wanted to be
responsive to UN requests and expressed his desire to "hear" from
the United State on PKO issues. Thanh offered no timeline,
however, and when asked specifically whether Vietnam was prepared
to participate in the 2010 GPOI Capstone exercise in Cambodia,
conceded that the MOD would only send observers.



IMET and Ship Visits

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9. (SBU) DefMin Thanh expressed gratitude for IMET funding for
English-language training and requested additional assistance,
urging the United States to match or exceed the roughly one
thousand soldiers already trained by the Australian government. He
specifically asked the United States to assist Vietnam develop
English-language labs for the military. Also, he suggested the
United States send instructors to Vietnam to teach English to the
military. Thanh said that Vietnam welcomed U.S. ship visits,
noting that in addition to the once-a-year ship visit permitted
under Vietnamese law, high-level MOD officials had participated in
the Stennis fly-out and had allowed maintenance on a U.S. ship at a
Vietnamese commercial facility. Thanh cited these as positive
developments and said, that he hoped that the United States might
one day welcome a Vietnamese ship visit, but Vietnam's navy did not
presently have sufficient range. Finally, Thanh expressed hope the
United States and Vietnam could increase information sharing. The
Deputy Secretary welcomed Thanh's ideas and said he would convey
them to OSD and PACOM.



Legacy Issues: Unexploded Ordnance, MIAs, Agent Orange

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10. (SBU) The Deputy Secretary thanked Thanh for his efforts to
support the hydrographic survey ship HEEZEN in its mission to look
for U.S. service members missing in action. Thanh, in response,
expressed his personal appreciation for U.S. veterans and
encouraged more of them to return and, when possible, to provide
information on Vietnam's own missing in action. Turning to U.S.

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assistance on the clearance of unexploded ordnance, Thanh stated
that the MOD would prefer greater and more immediate assistance,
channeled directly to the Vietnamese military rather than through
NGOs. Thanh raised Agent Orange, but only briefly, encouraging the
USG to do more to speed the pace of remediation. The Deputy
Secretary reassured Thanh that the United States understood the
sensitivity and importance of all of these issues and our interest
in exploring deeper cooperation in these areas.



Dialogues and Exchanges

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11. (SBU) Underscoring the value of continued dialogue, Thanh
requested that the U.S. Department of Defense-MOD Defense Policy
Dialogue be conducted at a higher level, perhaps by the Deputy
Minister of Defense. The Deputy Secretary and PDAS/D Mitchell
welcomed the recommendation and said they would take it back to
Washington. Thanh added that relations with U.S. Pacific Command
(PACOM) were excellent and could be developed even further. The
Deputy Secretary,PDAS/D Mitchell and Rear Admiral Leidig expressed
appreciation for the growing relationship between MOD and PACOM and
welcomed its expansion. PDAS/D Mitchell added that OSD was also
looking forward to a Washington visit by DefMin Thanh, coordinated
with Secretary Gates' schedule. PDAS/D Mitchell thanked DefMin
Thanh on behalf of Secretary Gates for the invitation to visit
Vietnam and assured him that it would be conveyed to the Secretary.




12. (U) The Deputy Secretary cleared this cable.
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