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09HANOI609
2009-06-30 11:18:00
UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
Embassy Hanoi
Cable title:  

USCIRF's Travels in Northwest Vietnam

Tags:  PHUM PGOV PREL KIRF VM 
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SUBJECT: USCIRF's Travels in Northwest Vietnam

Ref A) Hanoi 500 Ref B) Hanoi 595

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SUBJECT: USCIRF's Travels in Northwest Vietnam

Ref A) Hanoi 500 Ref B) Hanoi 595

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1. (SBU) SUMMARY: Three USCIRF staff and PolOff traveled to Son La
and Dien Bien provinces from May 18-21 to meet with Catholic and
Protestant congregations in two provinces that are well-known for
difficulties in implementing the national law on belief and
religion. In Son La province, while no Catholic congregations are
registered by the local government, one congregation in Moc Chau
district has no problems conducting regular services officiated by
visiting priests while another congregation in Son La City
experiences regular harassment by local officials which prohibit
visiting priests from conducting formal services and providing
Communion. In Dien Bien province, congregations affiliated with the
nationally recognized Evangelical Church of Vietnam North have
little difficulty in holding services even in the remotest of areas,
while churches lacking national recognition experience varying
degrees of difficulty. The Assembly of God Church experiences
low-level harassment from local officials and followers of the
Inter-Evangelistic Movement Church (IEM) experience regular
persecution, including attempts by local officials to have followers
recant their faith. END SUMMARY.

Son La - Some Catholics OK, Others Not
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2. (SBU) Following the departure of both commissioners following
their visit to Vietnam (ref B),the remaining USCIRF staff and
PolOff traveled for four days in the Northwest Highland provinces of
Son La and Dien Bien. Both Son La and Dien Bien provinces are known
as some of the most restrictive and backwards in implementing the
central governments edicts on religion. In Son La, the delegation
first met with a Catholic congregation in Moc Chau district which
meets in the large basement of a wealth parishioner that has been
converted into a chapel that holds about 100 people.


3. (SBU) The Catholics in Moc Chau said that harassment from local
authorities had dropped noticeably in the past two years and that
they are now able to have a priest travel to the district and hold
mass and give Communion every other Saturday. While the
congregation still lacks formal registration, they are able to

celebrate Christmas and Easter and have upwards of 600 parishioners
participate in services on religious holidays. Parishioners said
that they are not discriminated against due to their religious
beliefs and only wish to have registration and be able to build a
church in the district.


4. (SBU) In Son La City, the situation for Catholics is more
difficult. The delegation met with over 100 representatives of the
Catholic community in Son La City in an open courtyard attached to
the home of a wealthy Catholic parishioner. The Catholics said
local precinct officials have regularly prevented visiting priests
from conducting mass or offering Communion. This past Easter and
Christmas, planned celebrations had to be put on hold while local
officials questioned the visiting priest for an extended period of
time and then only allowed the priest to pray with those present and
not to conduct formal mass. Parishioners said that priests do,
however, regularly travel to the city to offer Communion in secret.



5. (SBU) Parishioners said that they do not face general
discrimination due to their religious beliefs, but that the
congregation continues to await a reply to its application for
registration. According to local Catholics, in a disturbing use of
"local democracy" the Chairman of the precinct-level People's
Committee called together all the heads of household from the
precinct where the current Catholic meeting point is located and
held a "vote" to ask whether the Catholics should be registered.
The vote was overwhelmingly against registering the Catholic meeting
point.


6. (SBU) In a meeting with Tran Dinh Yen, Son La province's
Chairman of the Communist Party's Mass Mobilization Committee, Yen
stressed that the province was trying to balance the needs of the
minority of citizens that profess a belief in God against the
non-believing majority. Yen asserted that 92 percent of inhabitants
in the province were atheist and that religious conversions at times
created a "clash of cultures" within families. The main goal of the
government is to support social unity, Yen affirmed. He noted that
the province is currently evaluating requests for registration from
the Catholics and some Protestant churches. He highlighted that
religious worship at home is encouraged and said that the province
did not welcome outsiders coming into the province to celebrate
religious holidays. (NOTE: The delegation did not meet with any
Protestant congregations in Son La at the recommendation of
Protestant leaders. They said that their congregations, while not
yet registered, were not experiencing difficulties like the
Catholics and that they feared that undue attention from USCIRF
could complicate their situation. END NOTE.)

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Dien Bien - Story of Three Protestant Churches
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7. (SBU) In Dien Bien province, the delegation traveled three hours
on bumpy mud paths and through streams to meet with a small ECVN
congregation in the mountainous area of Tuan Giao district. The
congregation is made up of the entire ethnic H'mong community in Hua
Sat village in Na Say commune. The villagers explained that they
converted to Christianity after listening to Protestant radio
programs broadcast in H'mong from the Philippines.


8. (SBU) After deciding to convert to Protestantism, the village
chief and the most observant male member of the community traveled
to Hanoi to make contact with the ECVN church and express a desire
to start a congregation. After making contact with ECVN
headquarters, the observant male began training to become an
ordained pastor. Once he completed his training, he was ordained
and the province then facilitated registration of the congregation,
the village chief explained. The pastor said that each family has a
Bible and hymnal in H'mong provided by the ECVN headquarters in
Hanoi. The villagers said that they have experienced no
difficulties since their conversion to Christianity at the hand of
government officials and thanked officials for facilitating their
travel to Hanoi for religious conferences.


9. (SBU) In Dien Bien Phu City, the delegation met with Dien Bien
province's Chairman of Communist Party's Mass Mobilization Committee
Liu Van Binh. Binh claimed that 99 percent of all religious
followers in the province were Protestant and that the province had
32,000 Protestants. (NOTE: The ECVN claims that close to half of
its followers - over 70,000 people - reside in Dien Bien province.
With the inclusion of other Protestant religions means the number of
believers is likely closer to 80,000. END NOTE.)


10. (SBU) The government has begun the process of registering
religious meeting points and has currently registered two meeting
points out of 274 that are currently operating, according to Binh.
He claimed that nearly all Protestants in the province were ethnic
H'mong and that more than 70 percent of the H'mong had only recently
migrated to the province. He claimed that the constant moving of
parishioners and church leaders has complicated the ability of the
province to register local congregations.


11. (SBU) The delegation later met with an Assembly of God
congregation made up of ethnic Thai in Dien Bien District, Nong
Luong Commune. Parishioners said that they meet weekly without
difficulty on Sunday to conduct services with an average of 30
individuals attending. A decade ago, it was common for local
officials to pressure followers to recant their faith according to
the leader of the congregation, Pastor Khoa. He said that while
outright hostility against the church is now abnormal, low-level
harassment from local officials is still common. For example, new
converts are routinely questioned by local officials as to why they
have chosen to become Protestants and ethnic H'mong followers are
prohibited from attending their congregation. Pastor Khoa
complained that they were unable to register their congregation, in
spite of repeated attempts.


12. (SBU) The delegation encountered many difficulties en route to
its final meeting in Dien Bien province. Originally, local
officials objected to the delegation meeting with an
Inter-Evangelistic Movement (IEM) congregation in Dien Bien Dong
district, Pu Nhi commune but after much discussion eventually
relented to allow the meeting. While traveling to Pu Nhi commune,
the delegation encountered three large dump trucks broken down and
abandoned on the road. The first dump truck was left unlocked and
the delegation was able to push it out of the way. The delegation
was able to drive off the road around the second abandoned dump
truck. The third dump truck was left about 8 km outside of Pu Nhi
commune in the middle of the road which had a precipitous drop-off
on one side and a mountain-wall on the other. PolOff called the
awaiting IEM pastors, and they agreed to travel to meet with the
delegation on the side of the road. The pastors arrived shortly
thereafter on motorbikes and were followed by approximately 12 plain
clothes police officers.


13. (SBU) It was immediately apparent why local officials had
attempted to prevent the meeting from occurring. The IEM
lay-pastors reported regular difficulties in several locations in
Dien Bien province. They said that the police in the past year had
routinely disrupted meetings of worshippers and that local
authorities had pressured several IEM followers to abandon their
faith. One lay-pastor reported that his son, a pastor-in-training,
had been detained in February 2009. The son, a student with an
IEM-affiliated Bible school in Ho Chi Minh City, was reportedly
detained for "illegal evangelizing" while visiting his family. The
authorities demanded a fine of VND 2 million (US $114) from his

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parents in exchange for his release. Local police from Pu Nhi
village later reportedly attempted to confiscate a TV, VCR and rice
cooker from the parents of the student in detention in place of
payment of the fine. With the intervention of district police, the
student was released after his family paid a reduced fine of VND
500,000 (US $29).

Comment
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14. (SBU) The Vietnamese have a saying, "The King's law is lower
than the law of the village." In remote areas, like the Northwest
Highlands, provinces typically function with a high degree of
autonomy and local officials alone decide how to apply or not apply
national regulations -- on religion or on any other topic. END
COMMENT.


15. (U) The USCIRF delegation did not have an opportunity to clear
this cable.