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09HANOI160
2009-02-24 10:09:00
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Embassy Hanoi
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Vatican Discuses Normalizing Relations, Raises Papal Visit

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SUBJECT: Vatican Discuses Normalizing Relations, Raises Papal Visit

REF: A) 08 Hanoi 1321 B) 08 Hanoi 736

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SUBJECT: Vatican Discuses Normalizing Relations, Raises Papal Visit

REF: A) 08 Hanoi 1321 B) 08 Hanoi 736

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1. (SBU) SUMMARY AND COMMENT: Monsignor Pietro Parolin, Holy See
Under-Secretary for Relations with States, travelled to Vietnam
February 15-22 at the invitation of the GVN to begin bilateral
discussions on normalization of relations under the rubric of a
Joint Working Group. During the visit, Parolin raised the
possibility of a Papal visit in 2009, stating that it was his "wish"
that the Pope would visit Vietnam. The Vatican also agreed to a
joint communique which acknowledged progress in religious freedom in
Vietnam and promised that that Church would not use its religious
activities for "political purposes." Msgr. Parolin's recent visit
continues to push the Vatican and GVN closer while also ensuring
local Catholics stay within the fold. This recent delegation, the
18th in a series of such visits to Vietnam since 1990, highlights
the commitment that both sides attach to working through issues
affecting Vietnam's Catholic community, the second largest in Asia.
END SUMMARY AND COMMENT.

Joint Working Group Established
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2. (SBU) During Msgr. Parolin's last visit in June 2008 (Ref B),
the two sides agreed to establish a Vietnam - Holy See Joint Working
Group headed by a deputy foreign minister on each side to discuss
bilateral relations. Leading up to the talks on a recent visit to
Europe, Deputy Prime Minister Nguyen Thien Nhan informed our
counterparts in the EU that the GVN took the talks seriously and
that Vietnam would act on re-establishing relations with the Vatican
well before China took action. Msgr. Parolin's visit marked the
first meeting of the Joint Working Group, where he met with his
counterpart VFM Nguyen Quoc Cuong. Both sides acknowledged that
while concrete results were not forthcoming from the first round of
talks, the formal creation of the Joint Working Group was an
"important step" towards re-establishing relations. Parolin also
stated that although the exact timeframe of normalization was not
certain, the eventual outcome of the talks would be re-establishment
of diplomatic relations. In an upbeat press conference after the
second day of talks, Parolin said, "This is the first time that

we've met with a formal, public agenda on the matter of diplomatic
relations between the Holy See and Vietnam -- that is progress."


3. (SBU) On February 19, the Ambassador spoke with VFM Cuong about
the Joint Working Group and Cuong relayed that the GVN was pleased
with the results. While noting that normalization of relations
would not take place any time soon, he said that the bilateral talks
were good starting point and that they would proceed in a "step by
step" fashion. He highlighted that that this was the first time
both sides had spoken explicitly of renormalization of relations,
which marked progress in the relationship. On February 23, Poloff
spoke with Father Nguyen Xuan Thuy, Chief Administrator for the
Archbishop of Hanoi, regarding the visit. While Father Thuy
downplayed the accomplishments and stated that no new ground had
been broken in the discussions, he acknowledged that establishment
of the Joint Working Group was an important step forward. Father
Thuy also admitted that local Catholics remain hurt by actions taken
by the government during last year's property dispute, but that the
Vatican continues to push the relationship forward.

Joint Communique Issued
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4. (SBU) The two parties also issued a joint communique following
the talks, which stated that the meetings took place in an
atmosphere of "openness, frankness and mutual respect." The Vatican
recognized the "positive progress in the religious life in Vietnam"
and, in a veiled reference to last year's property disputes,
promised that "the Church's religious activities would not be
conducted for political purposes." The Vatican also stressed that
the Church teaches parishioners "to be good citizens, working for
the common good of the country."


5. (SBU) During his visit, Msgr. Parolin also met with Chairman of
the Committee for Religious Affairs Nguyen The Doanh and later
traveled to visit the two northern Catholic diocese in Bui Chu and
Thai Binh. Parolin was accompanied by two Vietnamese priests
working at the Holy See: Msgr. Francis Cao Minh Dung, head of the
Bureau of South East Asian Affairs at the Secretariat of State, and
Msgr. Barnabe Nguyen Van Phuong, bureau chief at the Congregation
for the Evangelization of Peoples.

Papal Visit This Year?
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6. (SBU) Msgr. Parolin created quite a stir in the Catholic
community when he told the press that it was his "wish" that the
Pope could visit Vietnam later this year. He later hedged his
comments by clarifying that that a Papal visit was something that

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had not yet been agreed to by the GVN. He also informed the press
that the GVN had turned down earlier requests for the Pope to visit
Vietnam. MFA spokesman Le Dung stated that if the Vatican were to
submit a formal request that the GVN would consider it, but that at
this time no formal request has been made.


7. (U) This cable was coordinated with Consulate Ho Chi Minh City.

Michalak