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09GENEVA1084
2009-11-29 16:36:00
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START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA

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S E C R E T GENEVA 001084 

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/29/2019
TAGS: KACT MARR PARM PREL RS US START
SUBJECT: START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA
(SFO-GVA-VII): (U) NOTIFICATIONS WORKING GROUP MEETING,
NOVEMBER 18, 2009

REF: GENEVA 1079 (SFO-GVA-VII-023)

Classified By: A/S Rose E. Gottemoeller, United States
START Negotiator. Reasons: 1.4(b) and (d).

S E C R E T GENEVA 001084

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DEPT FOR T, VC AND EUR/PRA
DOE FOR NNSA/NA-24
CIA FOR WINPAC
JCS FOR J5/DDGSA
SECDEF FOR OSD(P)/STRATCAP
NAVY FOR CNO-N5JA AND DIRSSP
AIRFORCE FOR HQ USAF/ASX AND ASXP
DTRA FOR OP-OS OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR
NSC FOR LOOK
DIA FOR LEA

E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/29/2019
TAGS: KACT MARR PARM PREL RS US START
SUBJECT: START FOLLOW-ON NEGOTIATIONS, GENEVA
(SFO-GVA-VII): (U) NOTIFICATIONS WORKING GROUP MEETING,
NOVEMBER 18, 2009

REF: GENEVA 1079 (SFO-GVA-VII-023)

Classified By: A/S Rose E. Gottemoeller, United States
START Negotiator. Reasons: 1.4(b) and (d).


1. (U) This is SFO-GVA-VII-036.


2. (U) Meeting Date: November 18, 2009
Time: 3:35 - 4:45 P.M.
Place: U.S. Mission, Geneva

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SUMMARY
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3. (S) The Russian Delegation provided its position on
retaining, deleting, combining, or modifying START
Notification Formats 93 through 153 with respect to how they
should apply to the START Follow-on (SFO) treaty.


4. (U) Subject Summary: Russian Revisits Previous
Notification Proposals; Russian Notification Proposals; U.S.
Questions on Previous Russian Proposals; and, Schedule.

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RUSSIA REVISITS PREVIOUS
NOTIFICATION PROPOSALS
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5. (S) Mr. Siemon remarked that the process begun in the
last WG meeting (REF A),during which Russia provided its
position on retaining, deleting, combining, or modifying
START Notification Formats 1 through 92, was a useful
exercise. He noted that the United States was still
reviewing the Russian proposals, but his initial view
indicated there was a common approach. Siemon invited
Colonel Ryzhkov to continue discussing Notifications Formats
93 through 153 in the same manner as the previous WG meeting.


6. (S) Ryzhkov first returned to Notification Formats 62 and
63 and suggested they be combined and incorporate the time
requirements found in both notifications.

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RUSSIAN NOTIFICATION PROPOSALS
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7. (S) Ryzhkov went in detail through the Russian position
on Notification Formats 93 through 153, as follows:

- Retain: 114, 115, 128, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135,
136, 143, 144, 147, 151, 152 and 153;

- Delete: 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101,
102, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 118, 138,
139, 140, 141 and 142;

- Combine into new Format: (104, 105, 106),(116,
117),(129, 130) and 137;

- Combine into existing Format 3: 100; and

- Move to Section VI of the Notifications Part of


the Treaty Protocol for later consideration : 103
(relocation of mobiles),119-127 (continuous
monitoring),145, 146 and 148-150 (telemetry).

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U.S. QUESTIONS ON
PREVIOUS RUSSIAN PROPOSALS
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8. (S) Mr. Dwyer asked Ryzhkov to clarify his statement at
the previous meeting that Notification Formats 13 and 14 were
unnecessary since both sides could provide accurate data.
Ryzhkov replied that both sides knew their facilities and
coordinates very well from START and that each would provide
accurate geo-coordinates so that adjacent facilities could be
resolved without any further information. Thus, there was no
need to retain Notification Formats 13 and 14. Dwyer next
asked about Notification Formats 75, 83 and 86, which Ryzhkov
had stated in the last meeting he would consider further.
Ryzhkov stated that the Russian position was to retain
Notification Formats 75 & 83 and that Russia was still
considering what it wanted to do with Notification Format 86.

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SCHEDULE
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9. (S) Both sides agreed that the United States would
present their response to the Russian proposal at the next
meeting. Siemon stated that the United States would prepare
a Joint Draft Text of the Notifications part of the Treaty
Protocol for review next week.


10. (U) Documents Exchanged. None.


11. (U) Participants:

U.S.

Mr. Siemon
Mr. Coussa
Mr. Dwyer
LTC Leyde
LTC (P) LaGraffe
Mr. McConnell
Dr. Hopkins (Int)

RUSSIA

Col Ryzhkov
Ms. Vodopolova
Mr. Smirnov
Col Zaitsev
Ms. Komshilova (Int)


12. (U) Gottemoeller sends.
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