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09DUBLIN412
2009-10-02 12:46:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Dublin
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IRISH LISBON TREATY REFERENDUM: "YES" VOTE LIKELY

Tags:  PGOV PREL EI EUN 
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/02/2019
TAGS: PGOV PREL EI EUN
SUBJECT: IRISH LISBON TREATY REFERENDUM: "YES" VOTE LIKELY

REF: A. DUBLIN 397

B. DUBLIN 383

C. DUBLIN 362

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Classified By: DCM Robert J. Faucher. Reasons 1.4(b/d).

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TAGS: PGOV PREL EI EUN
SUBJECT: IRISH LISBON TREATY REFERENDUM: "YES" VOTE LIKELY

REF: A. DUBLIN 397

B. DUBLIN 383

C. DUBLIN 362

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Classified By: DCM Robert J. Faucher. Reasons 1.4(b/d).


1. (C) SUMMARY: Today, October 2, the Irish will vote in the
long-awaited second referendum on the EU Lisbon Treaty. The
polls throughout September, while fluctuating, have all given
the "yes" side a large advantage, with the most recent poll,
published on September 27, showing 55 percent for "yes," 27
percent for "no," and 18 percent undecided. The campaign has
saturated the country, and the treaty has been debated,
discussed and dissected in all of the media, on the streets,
and wherever people gather. A split remains between the
largely pro-Lisbon elites and working-class voters, who are
more reticent. Also, despite the din, the percentage of
undecided voters remains high. Two other large questions are
whether more voters than expected will vote "no" because of
the government's unpopularity (ref C),and whether high or
low turnout will affect the outcome. With those caveats, we
believe today's result will be "yes." END SUMMARY.

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OFFICIAL RESULTS TOMORROW EVENING
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2. (U) The polling stations opened today, October 2, at
7:00a.m., and will be open until 10:00p.m. The count will
begin at 9:00a.m., tomorrow, October 3. The result should be
evident by about noon on October 3, but the official result
will not be known until the evening of October 3 or later.

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THE DIVIDE BETWEEN ELITES AND THE REST
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3. (C) One persistently noticeable divide throughout the
campaign has been between elites and the rest. The elites
are decidedly pro-Lisbon with other groups much less so. A
poll published on September 25, which split results according
to income groups, showed 62 percent of the top two income
groups on the "yes" side but only 33 percent in favor of
Lisbon in the bottom two income groups. Both groups had high
percentages of undecided voters, 20 and 19 percent
respectively. This largely tracks with what our contacts
have told us (reftels),who have often lamented the
person-on-the-street's lack of enthusiasm for Lisbon and the
EU. This divide was part of the reason for the "no" vote in
the first referendum in June 2008, in which results showed
noticeably more support for Lisbon in higher-income
constituencies than in lower-income and many rural areas.
Our contacts, especially members of Parliament who have been
canvassing for a "yes" vote, though, report almost
unanimously that sentiment is turning in favor of a "yes"
vote even in lower-income areas. Nevertheless, they say,
lower-income voters are motivated not by enthusiasm for
Lisbon, but by concern that a "no" vote would isolate Ireland
economically. This corresponds to our informal impressions.
Emboffs have talked informally about Lisbon with numerous
taxi drivers and others. The great majority of these
informal interlocutors have said they would vote "yes" for
economic reasons. Typical was one taxi driver who told
poloff he had voted "no" in 2008, and still did not
understand Lisbon very well, but would probably vote "yes"
this time because he was unsure whether a "no" vote would
further hurt Ireland's economy.

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SPOILERS: UNPOPULAR GOVERNMENT OR TURNOUT?
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4. (C) Most of our contacts tell us that the most likely
motivator for a "no" vote is the unpopular government
(reftels). For that reason, politicians and pundits have
been stressing incessantly that the Lisbon vote is not about
the government, but about Ireland's place in Europe. Our
contacts tell us that most people that they have talked to
appear to be making that distinction. This corresponds to
our own impressions from informal conversations with voters.
Turnout could also skew the results. Our impression, however,
is that turnout is unlikely to be a significant determining
factor in favor of either side. Unlike in June 2008 (in
which turnout was an unexpectedly high 53 percent),there are
few signs that one side is more likely to get out the vote
than the other.

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COMMENT: "YES" IT IS
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5. (C) All signs -- especially the strong desire to avoid

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isolation from the EU in bad economic times -- point to a
"yes" vote. A large number of the many voters who have
remained undecided throughout the campaign might well vote
"no," making the result considerably closer than polls
predict. Looking beyond the referendum, the reticence of
undecided and lower-income voters shows that the distance and
opacity of the EU -- and the disconnect between the Irish
government and the Irish electorate -- remain salient issues.
END COMMENT.
ROONEY