Identifier
Created
Classification
Origin
09BERLIN1414
2009-11-09 06:40:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Berlin
Cable title:
GERMANY SUPPORTS MONTENEGRO FOR MAP AT DECEMBER
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C O N F I D E N T I A L BERLIN 001414
SIPDIS
STATE FOR EUR/RPM AND EUR/SCE
E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/06/2019
TAGS: PREL NATO PARM MARR KTIA GM UP GG MW BK
SUBJECT: GERMANY SUPPORTS MONTENEGRO FOR MAP AT DECEMBER
MINISTERIAL
REF: A. STATE 113840
B. STATE 111987
Classified By: POLITICAL MINISTER COUNSELOR GEORGE GLASS. REASONS: 1.4
(B) AND (D).
C O N F I D E N T I A L BERLIN 001414
SIPDIS
STATE FOR EUR/RPM AND EUR/SCE
E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/06/2019
TAGS: PREL NATO PARM MARR KTIA GM UP GG MW BK
SUBJECT: GERMANY SUPPORTS MONTENEGRO FOR MAP AT DECEMBER
MINISTERIAL
REF: A. STATE 113840
B. STATE 111987
Classified By: POLITICAL MINISTER COUNSELOR GEORGE GLASS. REASONS: 1.4
(B) AND (D).
1. (C) Drawing on ref B, post outlined the U.S. position on
NATO enlargement for the December 3-4 NATO foreign
ministerial with MFA NATO Office Director Bernhard Schlagheck
and Deputy Gunnar Denecke on November 2. Confirming what we
had heard earlier from the Chancellery, Schlagheck said that
Germany could support the U.S. proposal that Montenegro's
request for MAP be approved at the December ministerial.
Schlagheck also agreed that while Bosnia's aspirations for
NATO membership should be supported, it was not yet ready for
MAP.
2. (C) Schlagheck was relieved to hear that we had no
intention of re-opening the debate on MAP for Ukraine and
Georgia at this time. He agreed that we should stick to the
compromise reached at the December 2008 ministerial, allowing
the countries to prepare for NATO membership through their
respective bilateral NATO commissions and leaving the MAP
question open.
3. (C) Schlagheck confirmed, however, that it was still
Germany's position that the commissions did not substitute
for MAP and that Ukraine and Georgia would still need to
surmount that hurdle down the road. At the same time, he
acknowledged that MAP could prove to be superfluous or pro
forma if all the necessary reforms necessary for membership
were made during the commission process. He also agreed that
given the several years it would likely take Ukraine and
Georgia to make the necessary reforms for membership, it made
no sense to argue now about whether MAP might ultimately be
necessary or not.
MURPHY
SIPDIS
STATE FOR EUR/RPM AND EUR/SCE
E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/06/2019
TAGS: PREL NATO PARM MARR KTIA GM UP GG MW BK
SUBJECT: GERMANY SUPPORTS MONTENEGRO FOR MAP AT DECEMBER
MINISTERIAL
REF: A. STATE 113840
B. STATE 111987
Classified By: POLITICAL MINISTER COUNSELOR GEORGE GLASS. REASONS: 1.4
(B) AND (D).
1. (C) Drawing on ref B, post outlined the U.S. position on
NATO enlargement for the December 3-4 NATO foreign
ministerial with MFA NATO Office Director Bernhard Schlagheck
and Deputy Gunnar Denecke on November 2. Confirming what we
had heard earlier from the Chancellery, Schlagheck said that
Germany could support the U.S. proposal that Montenegro's
request for MAP be approved at the December ministerial.
Schlagheck also agreed that while Bosnia's aspirations for
NATO membership should be supported, it was not yet ready for
MAP.
2. (C) Schlagheck was relieved to hear that we had no
intention of re-opening the debate on MAP for Ukraine and
Georgia at this time. He agreed that we should stick to the
compromise reached at the December 2008 ministerial, allowing
the countries to prepare for NATO membership through their
respective bilateral NATO commissions and leaving the MAP
question open.
3. (C) Schlagheck confirmed, however, that it was still
Germany's position that the commissions did not substitute
for MAP and that Ukraine and Georgia would still need to
surmount that hurdle down the road. At the same time, he
acknowledged that MAP could prove to be superfluous or pro
forma if all the necessary reforms necessary for membership
were made during the commission process. He also agreed that
given the several years it would likely take Ukraine and
Georgia to make the necessary reforms for membership, it made
no sense to argue now about whether MAP might ultimately be
necessary or not.
MURPHY