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09BAGHDAD150
2009-01-20 15:42:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Baghdad
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TURKISH-IRAQ-U.S. TRILATERAL SECURITY TALKS: SLOW

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/21/2019
TAGS: MARR PTER PREL PINR PRES TU IZ
SUBJECT: TURKISH-IRAQ-U.S. TRILATERAL SECURITY TALKS: SLOW
PROGRESS, LOWERING EXPECTATIONS

REF: A. 08 BAGHDAD 3710

B. BAGHDAD 3793

C. BAGHDAD 3847

D. BAGHDAD 4003

E. ANKARA 00092

Classified By: Political-Military Minister-Counselor Michael Corbin for
reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/21/2019
TAGS: MARR PTER PREL PINR PRES TU IZ
SUBJECT: TURKISH-IRAQ-U.S. TRILATERAL SECURITY TALKS: SLOW
PROGRESS, LOWERING EXPECTATIONS

REF: A. 08 BAGHDAD 3710

B. BAGHDAD 3793

C. BAGHDAD 3847

D. BAGHDAD 4003

E. ANKARA 00092

Classified By: Political-Military Minister-Counselor Michael Corbin for
reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).


1. (C) Summary: Little progress was made at the
Iraqi-Turkish-U.S. trilateral security talks, held at the
intermediate subcommittee level on January 15. Turkish MG
Ozturk made a brief presentation on the PKK in Northern Iraq,
but most of the time was spent discussing modalities. All
parties seem willing to continue the dialogue, with lowered
expectations. Embassy and MNF-I will continue to encourage
the Turks and Iraqis to use this forum for practical
cooperation. End Summary.


2. (SBU) Following one Ministerial kickoff session (Ref A)
and three working level meetings (Refs B-D),the
Turkey-Iraq-U.S. trilateral security talks convened for the
first time at the intermediate Subcommittee level on January

15. Iraqi Deputy Minister of State for National Security
Affairs Tariq Baldawi co-chaired the Iraqi delegation, with
KRG Major General Dalshad Najeeb continuing to represent
Erbil. Turkish General Staff Deputy J3 (Operations) Major
General Erdal Ozturk flew down with a large interagency
delegation that included representatives from Interior and
Foreign Affairs. MNF-I RDML Lothrop "Buzz" Little and Acting
Pol-Mil Counselor led the U.S. team.


3. (C) As in previous sessions, little concrete information
was exchanged. A formal presentation the Turks had promised
to provide on the PKK presence in Northern Iraq did not
materialize, but MG Ozturk did give a short, general overview
of the PKK's locations, logistics, and political activities,
of little operational value. MG Ozturk passed an
intelligence template to the Iraqis to assist them in
developing and sharing information in the future. Baldawi
responded to the Turks not with an intel brief, but by
declaring that the Iraqi Constitution states that it is
illegal for terrorist groups to operate in or launch attacks
from Iraq. Referring to media reports of Turkey's ongoing

artillery and air cross-border operations, Baldawi asked the
Turks to take under consideration their "shelling Iraqi
border villages" suspected of being PKK hideouts, asserting
four recent cases of civilian casualties. MG Ozturk calmly
responded that the Turks take great care not to injure
civilians and the media has been known to distort events.
RDML Little suggested the GOI offer details of the alleged
incidents in writing to facilitate a proper investigation.
(Comment: We doubt Baldawi will do so; he appeared to be
making a gallant gesture to the KRG. End comment.)


4. (C) The bulk of the session (two hours at the table, not
counting lunch) was given over to continued discussion of
modalities, such as the frequency and level at which the
committee should meet, and U.S.-Turkish encouragement for the
Iraqi secretariat to conform with previous promises to
circulate draft minutes of meeting s. Echoing U.S. themes
from earlier sessions, RDML Little emphasized that the U.S.
del was there to support the Iraqi and Turkish participants
in turning the committee into a practical venue for the
exchange of information. The Turks and Iraqis agreed
information sharing would begin in earnest at the next
meeting.


5. (C) The only energetic exchange came when Ozturk stated
Turkey's intention to roll ongoing intel liaison with the KDP
QTurkey's intention to roll ongoing intel liaison with the KDP
and PUK in Erbil and Sulaymaniyah into the trilat process,
referring to an agreement made between Turkey's Interior
Minister Besir Atalay and Iraqi Minister of State for
National Security al-Waeli at the initial ministerial
session. Baldawi seemed to have no knowledge of this
agreement. Offline, Iraqi officials (including Baldawi) and
Turkish officials (Ozturk and MFA Director General Inan
Ozyildiz) told U.S. participants that they were satisfied
with the progress to date and willing to continue the
process, aiming for weekly working-level sessions and a
monthly meeting t the Subcommittee level.


6. (C) COMMENT: Seen through American eyes, this session
was an exercise in frustration. Yet to our surprise, neither
side seemed perturbed. Notwithstanding the Turkish DCHOD,s
understandable expression of disappointment about Iraqi
unpreparedness (Ref E),our perception is that the Turks
appear to have lowered their expectations of what can be
accomplished through this forum and to have reconciled

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themselves to - at best - a slow path toward practicality.
Their goal increasingly appears to be merely to maintain
political cover for their separate contacts with the KRG.
The Iraqi participants seem similarly content to go through
the motions so they can assert that Turkey is cooperating
with the GoI, not just the KRG, against the PKK. We will
continue to encourage the Turks and Iraqis to make more
serious use of this channel, but we also find ourselves
moderating our expectations. END COMMENT.
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