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2009-01-19 07:48:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ashgabat
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TURKMENISTAN: GENERAL PETRAEUS MEETING WITH

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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ASHGABAT 000083 

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/19/2019
TAGS: PREL MARR MOPS TX
SUBJECT: TURKMENISTAN: GENERAL PETRAEUS MEETING WITH
TURKMEN PRESIDENT BERDIMUHAMEDOV

REF: ASHGABAT 0081

Classified By: Charge Richard Miles, reasons 1.4 (B) and (D).

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ASHGABAT 000083

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/19/2019
TAGS: PREL MARR MOPS TX
SUBJECT: TURKMENISTAN: GENERAL PETRAEUS MEETING WITH
TURKMEN PRESIDENT BERDIMUHAMEDOV

REF: ASHGABAT 0081

Classified By: Charge Richard Miles, reasons 1.4 (B) and (D).


1. (C) Summary. On January 16, CENTCOM Commander, General
Petraeus, accompanied by Charge Miles, met with Turkmen
President Berdimuhamedov for over an hour. Berdimuhamedov
was accompanied by Foreign Minister Meredov. Berdimuhamedov
paid close attention to the detailed strategic briefing of
the present situation in Iraq and Afghanistan provided by
General Petraeus. The General expressed appreciation for the
current Turkmen support for U.S. and coalition efforts in
Afghanistan and asked for Turkmen agreement to join with
other countries in allowing the land transit of commercial,
non-lethal cargo through Turkmenistan and on to
Afghanistan*the Northern Distribution Network (NDN). As
expected, Berdimuhamedov defended the present level of
support and said that provision of land transport, beyond
"humanitarian cargo" would violate Turkmenistan's policy of
"positive neutrality." Petraeus' repeated effort to bring
about a change in Berdimuhamedov position resulted only in an
agreement for the General and the Foreign Minister to discuss
the issue further in a separate conversation (septel). The
General did raise the long-stalled issue of obtaining Turkmen
approval of necessary technical work to allow resumption of
the "Gas and Go" facility at the Ashgabat airport.
Berdimuhamedov described the concern of the Turkmen
Government over alleged violations of Turkmen air space by
"NATO" aircraft near the Turkmen-Afghanistan border.
Petraeus agreed to look into this. The meeting ended as it
had begun with greetings from the U.S. leadership to
Berdimuhamedov and the latter's greetings to President Bush
and President-Elect Obama. During the conversation President
Berdimuhamedov did ask the Charge to begin exploratory work
on a possible visit to the U.S. later this year. End Summary.


2. (U) General Petraeus told Berdimuhamedov he carried
greetings from the American leadership. He mentioned recent
conversations he had had on the region with
Secretary-designate Clinton. Berdimuhamedov responded in
kind, quoting a Turkmen proverb, "Both he who sends greetings

and he who brings them should enjoy health and prosperity."
He asked the General to convey his greetings to President
Bush and added that he hoped for good relations with
President-Elect Obama.


3. (C) General Petraeus then gave Berdimuhamedov a
detailed, strategic briefing on the situation in Iraq
(improving) and Afghanistan (deteriorating). He described
probable developments with regard to U.S. troop deployments
in that context and also went over the schedule of elections
coming up in Afghanistan. He handed Berdimuhamedov a copy of
the MNF-Iraq Commander's Counterinsurgency Guidance which he
had issued last July. Berdimuhamedov paid very close
attention to the General's brief and accompanying charts,
asking questions to clarify certain points. The General
expressed U.S. appreciation for the support which
Turkmenistan presently provided, specifically Turkmenistan's
direct support to Afghanistan and, in particular,
Turkmenistan's approval of broad over flight by U.S.
aircraft, land transit of fuel, and the "Gas and Go" facility
at Ashgabat airport. He noted that all this was done within
the framework of Turkmenistan's policy of "positive
neutrality." He did note that we had been waiting for some
time for Turkmen approval to proceed with necessary technical
work on the re-fueling facility valves to enable a resumption
of the "Gas and Go" activity at the Ashgabat airport.


4. (C) Berdimuhamedov expressed his appreciation for the
General's briefing and opening remarks. He complimented the
General for his leadership in bringing about positive results
in Iraq. We, too want stability and security in the region,
he said. We are aware of the danger of political and
religious extremism and terrorism. We have been under
pressure from many Muslim countries to support the
Palestinians in the present stage of their struggle, but we

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do not interfere in the internal affairs of others and they
(even Iran) do not interfere in our internal processes. Our
policy of positive neutrality is very important to us. We do
try to provide support to Afghanistan, he said. We are
paying for the electrical transmission line from Turkmenistan
into Afghanistan and our experts maintain the Afghan
railroad. We have sent cooking oil, flour and other
foodstuffs. We are constructing a girls' school and a
medical center in Afghanistan near our border. We have
thought about laying a gas pipeline into Afghanistan * when
the security situation improves. But, he went on,
Afghanistan today is not dealing with neighboring countries
in a normal fashion. Narcotics traffickers constantly try to
bring narcotics across our borders. Every day, we seize five
to twenty-five kilograms of narcotics which have come across
the border -- and these narcotics traffickers are linked to
extremist groups in Afghanistan. This is a serious problem,
he emphasized. Within the past six months, at least two
dozen narcotics laboratories have been set up in Afghanistan
near our border. What is needed is a change in the mentality
of the people, beginning in school.


5. (C) General Petraeus agreed that Afghanistan was a major
source of illegal narcotics. We are going after it, he
emphasized, and we value the cooperative relationship we have
with the Turkmen law enforcement authorities responsible for
suppressing the narcotics trade. Petraeus added that he
would meet with several of these Turkmen officials later in
the day. Berdimuhamedov then reeled off a rather accurate
list of those officials who had been in the U.S. recently for
orientation or training. We need to continue this
cooperation, he said. Extremism and narcotics trafficking
are linked and we have to suppress both.


6. (C) Berdimuhamedov then complained about alleged
violations of Turkmen air space in the Afghan-Turkmen border
region. This is by "NATO" fixed wing aircraft, he said.
Local people are upset, he continued, and our Army and Border
Service will relocate some of them. Berdimuhamedov said he
had spoken to Karzai about this "delicate situation" more
than once. General Petraeus said that he would look into
this.


7. (C) General Petraeus raised the issue of commercial
overland shipment of non-lethal cargo through Turkmenistan to
Afghanistan. This would help you commercially, he said. It
would help Afghanistan and it would help us as we try to
rebuild the infrastructure in Afghanistan. We have done this
with Russia, we have agreement with Kazakhstan. Now, we want
to do it with Turkmenistan. It fits the Turkmen policy of
positive neutrality. And, he concluded, your approval would
send a positive message to the new Administration in
Washington. President Berdimuhamedov told the General, "I
understand you very well. We have this conversation every
year, but this would not fit our UN-approved policy of
positive neutrality." We have one of the best over flight
agreements with you. We have supported annual renewal of the
agreement allowing your over flights containing
"humanitarian" cargo and we will continue to support this.
"But," he repeated, "overland, commercial cargo is
different." "I know NATO," he said, "they will say that air
cargo is too expensive. We want to send our goods overland
also." Petraeus suggested that we discuss the definition of
"humanitarian" cargo. He asked, "If you ship material for
the railroad or culverts for bridges, isn't that
"humanitarian?" It is material used to improve the lives of
the Afghan people. The General said that he and the Foreign
Minister can work on the definition of "humanitarian" * and
also on the "Gas and Go" problem. President Berdimuhamedov
agreed but added, "We had a good understanding with President
Bush. We have a good agreement. We don,t want to smash
(polomat) it."


8. (C) General Petraeus then turned up the heat, telling
Berdimuhamedov that he had spent several years in the
struggle against extremists and terrorists. He asked the

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President to tell him if the success of these elements in
Afghanistan was what he wanted. "Just tell me," he said,
emphatically, adding that our efforts were not just for
ourselves but for Afghanistan, for Turkmenistan * for the
world, actually. "This is very serious, Mr. President," he
emphasized. We are working constructively in Turkmenistan,
he continued; you had a taste of extremist violence in
Ashgabat last September. We need to stop this extremism in
Afghanistan and prevent its spread beyond Afghanistan's
borders. Berdimuhamedov said that the General was correct.
He described his own visit to Afghanistan to give Karzai
moral support after the attack on him. "We understand you
without words," he said, "but we cannot avoid the law (n.b.,
a reference to positive neutrality). Our status has been
confirmed by the UN," he emphasized. In general,
Berdimuhamedov said, we have a positive attitude. Of course,
there are details and you can discuss them with the Foreign
Minister.


9. (C) General Petraeus concluded saying that we supported
the rule of law. That is what we are doing in Afghanistan,
and we are in Afghanistan under a UN Security Council
Resolution. The meeting concluded with Berdimuhamedov
expressing his appreciation to the General for the meeting
and the discussion. He asked the General to convey his
greetings to President Bush and President-Elect Obama. He
also mentioned his great respect for career military officers
noting that his father had been one * with the rank of
Colonel.


10. (C) Comment. While the discussion did not move
Berdimuhamedov off the dime on the issue of transporting
commercial, overland cargo through Turkmenistan to
Afghanistan, it did provide a good -- rather intense,
actually -- exchange on the matter. The follow up meeting
with the Foreign Minister, which also had its intense
moments, went into more depth on this issue. Of course, it
also was an opportunity for the CENTCOM Commander and
President Berdimuhamedov to size each other up personally.
It was clear that Berdimuhamedov appreciated General
Petraeus' approach * providing a detailed briefing and, in
general, treating Berdimuhamedov as a serious player. In the
opinion of the Charge, the two were able to interact very
well with each other, even when the exchange became intense.
This bodes well for future exchanges relating to Afghanistan.
END COMMENT.


11. (C) CONTINUED COMMENT: Berdimuhamedov appeared relaxed
and confident despite the meeting coming on the heels of a
lengthy session of the Turkmen Cabinet of Ministers on
Thursday at which Berdimuhamedov announced a rather dramatic
shuffling of Government officials at all levels of
government. Also noteworthy was the Turkmen provision for a
stand up TV appearance which allowed the General, in full
uniform, the opportunity to take his message to the Turkmen
people. END COMMENT.


12. (C) During the conversation Berdimuhamedov asked the
Charge to begin exploratory work for a possible visit to the
U.S. later this year. Such a visit and a meeting, even if
short, with the President, could provide effective leverage
on Berdimuhamedov to allow Turkmenistan's participation in
the Northern Distribution Network.
MILES