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09ASHGABAT550
2009-04-30 11:16:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ashgabat
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TURKMENISTAN: THY ASKS FOR ASSISTANCE ON TECHNICAL

Tags:  PREL MARR TX 
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ASHGABAT 000550 

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STATE FOR SCA/CEN

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/30/2019
TAGS: PREL MARR TX
SUBJECT: TURKMENISTAN: THY ASKS FOR ASSISTANCE ON TECHNICAL
ISSUES IN ORDER TO INCREASE OVERFLIGHT

REF: ASHGABAT 0469 AND PREVIOUS

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Classified By: Charge Richard Miles for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 ASHGABAT 000550

SIPDIS

STATE FOR SCA/CEN

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/30/2019
TAGS: PREL MARR TX
SUBJECT: TURKMENISTAN: THY ASKS FOR ASSISTANCE ON TECHNICAL
ISSUES IN ORDER TO INCREASE OVERFLIGHT

REF: ASHGABAT 0469 AND PREVIOUS

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Classified By: Charge Richard Miles for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).


1. (C) SUMMARY: During an April 30 meeting with DATT,
Turkmen State Civil Aviation officials asked for U.S.
assistance in four areas, which would allow Turkmenistan to
raise the blanket overflight cap: get the Afghanistan to
expand the flight altitude range and routes for Turkmen
civilian aircraft transiting that country; get Kabul air
traffic control to communicate with Turkmenabat air traffic
control on flights crossing the border; have U.S. aircraft
transiting Turkmenistan airspace adopt certain safety
procedures that would allow Turkmen air traffic control
officials to manage the flights appropriately; and supply THY
with four UHF radios so that they can communicate with U. S.
aircraft. Regarding the overflight bill, THY officials said
if MFA will write a note saying that the United States does
not owe a fee, and charges would be dropped. During an April
29 meeting with Charge, Deputy Foreign Minister Hajiyev
promised to work together to avoid denying overflight to VIP
planes. END SUMMARY.

OVERFLIGHT - SAFETY AND TECHNICAL ISSUES


2. (C) DATT met April 30 with Turkmen State Civil Aviation
(THY) officials to discuss an increase to the blanket
overflight cap, a bill for $30,000 for overflight fees in
2007 and 2008, and the recent denial of overflight for the
USTRANSCOM commander and the ISAF commander. THY Deputy
Chairman, Kovus Charriyev, discussed four technical areas,
where the Turkmen would like USG assistance. Charriyev said
Turkmenistan had signed a commercial overflight agreement
with Afghanistan, but U.S. military needs had taken
precedence. Therefore, when Turkmen Airways flights transit
Aghanistan they are restricted to a certain altitude and
certain routes. If THY could expand the altitude range and
the number of routes, it would allow an increase in
throughput. Charriyev said this commensurate increase in
civilian air traffic would allow the Turkmen to increase the
U.S. overflight cap.


3. (C) THY Head of Air Traffic Control Ali Amanovich said
that Turkmenabat air traffic control has had trouble

communicating with their counterparts at Kabul air traffic
control. When planes transiting Turkmenistan air space cross
the Afghanistan border, there is supposed to be a hand over
to Kabul air traffic control. However, Amanovich asserted,
the Afghans only answer when they want. In addition, Kabul
does not alert Turkmenabat to U.S. aircraft approaching the
Turkmenistan border, and the Turkmen often only know about
them when they are picked up by Turkmenistan air defense
radar. Amanovich said the Turkmen want the Afghans to
respond to their calls and to alert them of planes
approaching the Turkmen border.


4. (C) Amanovich said there were also safety concerns with
the U.S. aircraft that overfly. THY has safety regulations,
which allow air traffic control to be able to manage flights
appropriately. For example, THY does not want flights to be
closer than ten minutes apart. In addition, U.S. aircraft
often fly at such low altitudes that air traffic control
cannot see them and only Turkmenistan air defense radar can
pick them up. Amanovich wanted U.S. help in implementing
procedural changes that would better promote safety and
wanted four UHF radios that would allow air traffic control
to talk to U.S. planes. DATT asked Amanovich for specific
list of safety concerns that he can pass on to DoD.

OVERFLIGHT BILL - IT CAN GO AWAY


5. (C) Regarding the outstanding overflight bill, a
bookkeeper from THY explained that the International Air
Transport Association (IATA) Convention mandates that their

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books must balance and they must account for every fee which
they charge. Moreover, he said, the United States is the
only country that still has not paid this over flight bill.
Nevertheless, Turkmenistan does not charge overflight fees
for humanitarian flights. If the planes are shown are shown
to be have been humanitarian (i.e., the diplomatic notes
state they were carrying humanitarian cargo),those charges
would be corrected. For the VIP flights, if MFA will write a
note forgiving the bill, the United States will not be
charged.


6. (C) DATT explained the United States policy is not to pay
for overflight for U.S. Government planes. This is universal
and not restricted to one country or region. He also raised
the denial of overflight to USTRANSCOM Commander General
McNabb and ISAF Commander General McKiernan. He said it
would not help bilateral relations if the decision to deny
overflight to General McKiernan's May 4 flight is not
reversed.

DENIAL OF OVERFLIGHTS


7. (C) The Charge met April 29 with Deputy Foreign Minister
Hajiyev regarding the denial of overflight to General
McNabb's flight on April 28. Charge emphasized the lack of
understanding for this incident in Washington in light of DAS
Krol's conversation with Foreign Minister Meredov on April
24, where Meredov promised that the overflight bill would no
longer be an issue. Hajiyev took this point and reiterated
that the Embassy and Ministry needed to work together closely
to minimize such friction. He encouraged us to be in close
contact with the relevant officials in the Consular
Department, the Americas Desk or with the Assistant to the
Minister when problems arose.


8. (C) Hajiyev apologized for what happened. He promised to
talk to Meredov that evening and relay information on the May
4 flight of General McKiernan. He said they would work so
that there would not be a repeat of what had happened to
General McNabb and so that General McKiernan could overfly
Turkmenistan. He said there is time before May 4 to resolve
this issue, and promised that MFA would communicate with THY.
Hajiyev explained that THY is narrowly focused on its area
of responsibility, and therefore was fixated on the $30,000
bill. However, MFA has a broader perspective.


9. (C) COMMENT: The discussion with THY provides for a way
ahead on both the overflight cap and the overflight bill.
It's too bad it has taken so long for the Turkmen to propose
practical solutions to these problems. Although there was no
discussion of how much the cap could be raised, an agreement
that technical fixes would allow an increase permits us to
negotiate exact numbers in the future. END COMMENT.
MILES