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09ASHGABAT522
2009-04-24 12:04:00
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Embassy Ashgabat
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TURKMENISTAN: DAS KROL'S MEETING WITH THE GRAND

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SUBJECT: TURKMENISTAN: DAS KROL'S MEETING WITH THE GRAND
MUFTI - "TURKMEN MEANS ISLAM"

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SUBJECT: TURKMENISTAN: DAS KROL'S MEETING WITH THE GRAND
MUFTI - "TURKMEN MEANS ISLAM"


1. (U) Sensitive but unclassified. Not for public Internet.


2. (SBU) SUMMARY: On April 22, 2009, visiting Deputy
Assistant Secretary George Krol, met with Grand Mufti,
Rovshen Allaberdyev, and the Deputy Chairman of the Council
on Religious Affairs, Nurmuhammet Gurbanov. The Mufti
emphasized that to be Turkmen is to be Muslim. He said that
theology students are no longer sent abroad to study, because
of the concern they could trained in Wahabist or extremist
principles. The Mufti did not believe that outside
influences, such as from Iran or Afghanistan, have an effect
on the religious practices of the majority of Turkmen.
Turkmen practice a moderate form of Islam moderately, they
reject extremism, and believe that religion is sometimes used
as a pretext to mask horrendous acts. END SUMMARY.


3. (SBU) On April 22, 2009, visiting Deputy Assistant
Secretary George Krol, met with Grand Mufti, Rovshen
Allaberdyev, and the Deputy Chairman of the Council on
Religious Affairs, Nurmuhammet Gurbanov. The meeting took
place at the Council of Religious Affairs. The Chairman of
the Council, Charigeldi Seryayev, also attended the meeting,
but said virtually nothing. Following pleasantries, DAS Krol
asked the Grand Mufti about religion in Turkmenistan. The
meeting focused on Islam and there was no discussion of any
other religion, despite efforts to get Gurbanov to speak more
broadly.


4. (SBU) The Mufti noted the majority of Turkmen are
Muslims. Turkmen do not separate religion from customs and
traditions. You cannot have one without the other. He went
on to say that people (in Turkmenistan) are free to pursue
religion however they want. The Grand Mufti said that
"Turkmen is Muslim." If a Turkmen distances himself from his
religion (Islam) he could be ostracized by the community.
However, customs and traditions are more important than
religion, per se. For example, if one chooses to not go to
the mosque but follows other customs and traditions of Islam,
they may not be criticized. However, if you do not follow
traditions, such as marking the death of a relative after 3,
7 and 40 days, the community may disapprove. In addition, if
a man does not follow Islam, he would not be buried according

to Muslim tradition, even if that was what he wished. The
Mufti made the point that conformity to tradition is not
mandated, but people carry it out as part of a societal
(religious) norm.


5. (SBU) The Mufti explained that the education of religious
staff in Turkmenistan is carried out at the Theology
Department of The State University in the Faculty of History.
This department provides education on all religions, not
just Islam. He said they looked at many different
methodologies, best practices and other places for religious
training but concluded their staff were the best option. The
religious professors are known as "Ahuns" and are considered
to have the equivalent of a doctorate or masters degree and
are capable of providing instruction in multiple religions.
The Mufti felt that the Theology department is sufficient and
saw no need to train religious personnel abroad. Students
had been sent away for religious education in the past, but
not anymore. The Mufti felt that students would get a
different type of training, possibly in Wahabi principles,
and Turkmen do not like this. Regarding prayer, each mosque
provides this type of education, and every Mullah of every
mosque is free to train their visitors anyway they like.


6. (SBU) The Mufti first said that the shoot-out in
Khitrovka in September 2008 was connected to religious
extremism. On questioning, he indicated that he had spoken
somewhat out of turn and he explained that people assumed
this because it was such an extreme event. Murder is
prohibited in the religion of Islam. The perpetrators used
religion as a cover for their activity when, in reality, they
were involved in narcotics trafficking. It is common for
these types of incidents to be carried out under the guise of
religion, when in fact they are not related. Due to the
extreme nature of this incident, people assumed it was

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somehow connected to Wahabism. The country of Saudi Arabia
pursues Wahabism as their religion. However, on an official
visit to Turkmenistan, their leaders condemned the Khitrovka
incident and said that it had nothing to do with religion.


7. (SBU) Regarding the influence of Iran and Afghanistan, the
Mufti believes there is influence from outsiders. However,
it does not affect the majority of the population. Instead,
it is more situational and is influenced by family ties. The
Mufti said Turkmen-Turkish schools are secular. All schools
are secular regardless of their country of origin. For
example, they would not call an American school "Christian"
or and Indian school "Hindi." All curriculum is approved by
the Ministry of Education.


8. (SBU) The Mufti mentioned that if you look at Turkmen
history, no single fight happened because of religion. As
the Prophet Mohammed taught all Muslims, if you follow the
five tenets of Islam, you will go to heaven. The five
tenants are 1) visit to Haj, 2) fasting during Ramazan, 3)
reading the Namaz prayer five times per day, 4) participating
in charitable acts and 5) acknowledging that Allah is the
only God and Mohammed is his prophet. As Turkmen, they
follow religion moderately and not to the extreme. The Mufti
said he would be criticized if he did not follow all aspects
of Islam.


9. (SBU) COMMENT: The meeting ended on a cordial note, but
without time to discuss anything other than Islam. The most
senior person in attendance (the Chairman of the Religious
Council) said nothing during the entire meeting. Gurbanov
deferred to the Mufti on efforts to engage him in a broader
discussion of religion. During a brief tour of the compound,
including the central mosque, Gurbanov spoke warmly of the
Russian Orthodox community and nearby churches, but made no
mention of other denominations. The Grand Mufti stressed
that Turkmen were free to choose their own beliefs, but at
the same time pointed out that they would receive pressure
from the community if they did not choose Islam. He
mentioned over and over how the leaders of the Mosque and the
religious council really had no influence on an individual's
beliefs, that pressure came entirely from society. The Mufti
seemed to back pedal a bit when asked about his reference to
"Turkmen is Islam". He said he read it on the internet and
in reality, it is difficult to separate religion from customs
and traditions. END COMMENT.


10. (U) DAS Krol cleared this cable.
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