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2009-12-08 15:54:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ankara
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TURKEY: PARTNERS BUT NOT PALS WITH EGYPT

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DEPARTMENT ALSO FOR EUR/SE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/19/2019
TAGS: EG PGOV PREL TU
SUBJECT: TURKEY: PARTNERS BUT NOT PALS WITH EGYPT

REF: ANKARA 1717

Classified By: POL Counselor Daniel O'Grady, Reasons 1.4 (b,d)

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DEPARTMENT ALSO FOR EUR/SE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/19/2019
TAGS: EG PGOV PREL TU
SUBJECT: TURKEY: PARTNERS BUT NOT PALS WITH EGYPT

REF: ANKARA 1717

Classified By: POL Counselor Daniel O'Grady, Reasons 1.4 (b,d)


1. (C) SUMMARY. Both the Turkish MFA and Egyptian Embassy
view the bilateral relationship positively for now, but the
two countries' wariness towards each other could impact
relations down the road. The Turkish MFA says it views Egypt
as a partner and not a competitor. The Egyptian Embassy
commented that Turkey will never be able to compete with
Cairo because of Turkey's linguistic and cultural distance
from the Arab world. Turkish academics, however, view Turkey
as increasing its foreign policy influence against a
perceived waning Egypt. Turkey will be hard pressed to
capitalize on its recent foreign policy success at Egypt's
expense because much depends on external factors, such as
Egyptian internal dynamics and Ankara toeing the line on
relations with Syria and Iran. END SUMMARY.
High Point in Relations
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2. (C) Turkey and Egypt seem to be on a positive trajectory
in bilateral relations. We met recently with MFA First
Secretary Burak Rende on bilateral relations in late October,
who emphasized that Turkey and Egypt continue to have good
relations-- particularly since the two countries have a
strategic partnership and Cairo helped Turkey enter the Arab
League in 2007. However, Rende commented that the
relationship is not as strong as Turkey would like
considering the strategic partnership, but that Ankara hopes
it will improve with time.


3. (C) The Egyptian Embassy, for its part, commented that
bilateral relations are the best they have ever been. Seyfi
Tashan, President of the Foreign Policy Institute, and
Egyptian Embassy Second Secretary Ihab Soliman both
highlighted that bilateral trade has grown significantly.
According to them, trade between the two countries was
roughly $2.4 billion as of August, of which Turkish exports
represented $1.98 billion. This is a dramatic shift compared
to 2007, when both imports and exports only accounted for
$500-600 million. Moreover, Soliman commented that Turkey's
increasing foreign policy role is positive for Cairo because
Ankara has tried to be constructive in Iraq, Lebanon, and
Israel. Turkey's expanding outreach to Egypt and in the

region can be seen in other unexpected parts of the world as
well -- including Africa and Latin America with the
establishment of new embassies and increased trade. Egypt
sees this as a more independent, mature Turkish foreign
policy, a "semi-power of sorts," for which the Embassy said
Foreign Minister Davutoglu created the recipe.

Turkey: Possible Competitor to Egypt?
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4. (C) The Turkish MFA said that Turkey views Egypt as a
"partner" in the region and does not see any competition
despite public reports to the contrary. Rende commented that
Ankara consciously tries not to step on Cairo's toes because
it values its relationship with Egypt, and Egypt's position
in the region. However, Turkey is trying to increase its
influence by "reconnecting" or opening new ties with various
countries. Soliman said that Turkey and Egypt can work in
"parallel" because Ankara will never be able to compete with
Egypt in the Arab world. He relayed that Turkey is barely
trying to resume relations after nearly a 90-year absence
since World War I, whereas Egypt helped form the Arab world
culturally, linguistically, and with nation-building.
Soliman also contended that Cairo would never be replaced as
the "cultural center" of the Arab world.


5. (C) Yet Turkish academics contend that Egypt is losing
influence in the region, giving Turkey the opportunity to
increase its clout. The Turkish Foreign Policy Institute
said that Prime Minister Erdogan and Foreign Minister
Davutoglu enjoy increased influence and popularity on the
Arab street due to Turkey's post-Gaza anti-Israel rhetoric,
stable economy, and AKP's Islamist slant. Moreover, they

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said, Turkey can be an impartial broker with countries such
as Israel and Syria. The Center for Middle Eastern Strategic
Studies (ORSAM),however, said street appeal does not
necessarily translate into support with Middle Eastern
decision-makers. Indeed, Soliman told us his government was
angered when Erdogan's anti-Israeli criticism during and
after the December-January Gaza intervention generated
pressure in the Egyptian street and media for more explicit
official condemnation of Israel.

Possible Problems Down the Road
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6. (C) Looking ahead, Rende commented that the relationship
could be adversely affected by Turkey's policy of engagement
with its neighbors. He specifically mentioned Syria since
Davutoglu's policy is that there cannot be peace in the
Middle East without Syria. Rende stressed that Turkey has to
engage Syria because the two countries share a border and
Ankara's policy is dialogue. He said that Turkey, for its
part, is trying to engage, lobbying Syria to be constructive
with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the rest of the region.
However, he recognizes that Syria and Egypt are on two
different pages, which could be a problem in future
Turkish-Egyptian relations.


7. (C) Rende said that Turkey also disagrees with Egypt on
Israel, particularly regarding the Gaza crisis, which could
erupt again and negatively impact relations. Rende said that
Turkey, for now, is taking a backseat and letting Egypt take
the lead on Israel. However, Rende commented that politics
could become a future factor, implying that Turkey may feel
obliged to vie for the lead. Meanwhile, the Egyptian Embassy
dismissively suggested that Ankara may be over its head on
Israel.


8. (C) The Egyptian Embassy also commented that Egypt does
not see Turkey shifting to the East, contrary to many recent
media commentaries, because Ankara's roots are firmly in
NATO. The Turkish Foreign Policy Institute ORSAM too said
Ankara's EU aspirations keep Turkey grounded.

Comment
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9. (C) While on the surface Turkey-Egypt relations appear
cordial and healthy enough, some of the biting commentary
from the Egyptian Embassy shows the far more negative
undercurrents. We hear similar skeptical comments from other
Arab diplomats about Ankara's aspirations to be a player in
the Middle East. Turkey's outreach to Syria and increasingly
harsh rhetoric against Israel are generating mutual wariness.
Even so, Ankara's continuing search for markets seems likely
to draw its diplomatic attention further into the Arab world.
Silliman

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