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08VIENTIANE658
2008-12-18 10:36:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Vientiane
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FIRST DIPLOMATIC ACCESS TO HMONG RECENTLY

Tags:  LA PHUM PREF PREL SOCI TH 
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SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR EAP/MLS(EMERY);
BANGKOK ALSO FOR RMA (SCHERER)

E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/18/2018
TAGS: LA PHUM PREF PREL SOCI TH
SUBJECT: FIRST DIPLOMATIC ACCESS TO HMONG RECENTLY
REPATRIATED FROM THAILAND

Classified By: AMBASSADOR RAVIC R. HUSO for reasons 1.5(b) and (d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L VIENTIANE 000658

SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR EAP/MLS(EMERY);
BANGKOK ALSO FOR RMA (SCHERER)

E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/18/2018
TAGS: LA PHUM PREF PREL SOCI TH
SUBJECT: FIRST DIPLOMATIC ACCESS TO HMONG RECENTLY
REPATRIATED FROM THAILAND

Classified By: AMBASSADOR RAVIC R. HUSO for reasons 1.5(b) and (d)


1. (C) SUMMARY: Pressure from the U.S. and like-minded
members of the international community on the GOL to allow
independent access to Hmong repatriated from Thailand has
finally resulted in a significant step forward. On December
10, the MFA arranged for the Ambassador and other diplomats
and representatives of UN agencies to visit two sites: a
resettlement village established by the GOL at Phalak that is
home to recent returnees, and a second community at Phathao
established in 1994 with international assistance. Although
our sessions with the returnees were in the form of "town
hall" meetings, we were permitted to ask probing questions
and direct them to whoever we chose. The overall impression
of the participants was that the inhabitants showed no sign
of intimidation or mistreatment and that living conditions
were generally as good as, if not better, than those in other
small rural villages. Two of the individuals we met were
from among the group of eight leaders of the camp in
Petchabun who were deported by the Thai in June following the
demonstrations there. Many families in Phalak had cell
phones and were able to contact relatives in Thailand and
abroad. End Summary.

Trip Overview
--------------


2. (SBU) Lao Ministry of Foreign Affairs Press Department
Director General Yong Chanthalangsy - the Lao senior official
charged with directly managing the Hmong repatriation issue -
on December 10 arranged for Vientiane- and Bangkok-based
diplomats, representatives of international organizations,
and local media to visit two Hmong villages in northern
Vientiane Province. Journalists from the Thai paper, the
Nation, and from RFA, VOA and AFP were invited but decided
not to attend, citing the need to cover political events in
Thailand.


3. (C) The delegation included the Ambassador and PolOff, the
European Union Charge d'Affaires, diplomats from the
Australian, German, French, and Thai Embassies, and
representatives from the UN Resident Representative's Office

and the UNICEF Office in Vientiane. The presence of the head
of the UNHCR regional office and an official from the
International Organization for Migration (IOM) in Bangkok was
significant. The Lao relationship with UNHCR had been very
strained in recent years, although relations with IOM have
been correct. The fact they were included suggests that the
Lao authorities are now prepared to engage once again with
these organizations whose mandates relate directly to the
treatment of the Hmong returnees.


4. (U) In addition to DG Yong, the Lao were represented by
MFA Chief of Cabinet Mr. Yaseng (no last name) - himself a
Hmong - and MFA Europe and Americas Department Director
General Ambassador Khouanta Phalivong and several members of
the MFA Press Department.

PHALAK
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5. (U) The group traveled by a Lao military Mi-17 helicopter
first to Phalak village, in Kasi District. Construction of
Phalak as a resettlement village for Hmong repatriated from
the Huay Nam Khao camp in Thailand's Petchabun Province began
in May 2007. We were greeted, in typical Lao fashion, by a
receiving line of community leaders and escorted to a
community center for a town hall- style meeting. The meeting
began with the usual recitation, by the Lao official in
charge of the district, of facts and figures regarding the
community, including details of the population,s makeup,
village infrastructure, government services, and agricultural
statistics.


6. (U) According to the official,s report, the resettlement
village now has a population of 462 living in 76 households.
The total number of houses, however, is 100 so there is room
for additional families. The village is 28 kilometers west
of Kasi City in northern Vientiane Province and accessible by
road. The GOL said it provided each returnee household with
shelter, agricultural tools, farm land (including irrigated
paddy land),as well as rice, canned food and free
electricity for one year. The GOL has also built a water

supply system, a medical clinic, and an elementary school
through grade four which now has 203 students. Local
officials estimated total spending on roads, houses,
community buildings, and water/sanitation, electrical, and
irrigation systems to be in excess of USD two million so far.
They said they had plans to increase the irrigated land area
to allow the village to expand to 150 households and become
self-sufficient in rice by 2010.
(NOTE: the GOL is also building a second new resettlement
center at Khamkeut Village in eastern Bolikhamsai Province
which has sufficient arable land for 300 families; 46 have so
far been resettled at Khamkeut.)


7. (C) During the ensuing group meeting, we were given the
opportunity to ask questions of the roughly 60 participants,
most of whom were middle-aged male heads of families but also
including several women and younger men. A few members of
the group, (notably the Ambassador, UNHCR Rep and Poloff)
speak Lao and could confirm that the translations of the
questions and the returnees, answers were accurate and
complete. Not unexpectedly, several of those who replied to
questions appeared to have had some coaching, particularly
those who prefaced their answers with expressions of thanks
to the Lao government for providing them shelter and
livelihoods. However, everyone who spoke addressed the
questions fully, and there were no apparent indications of
fear or distrust. Most of the returnees raised practical
issues regarding living conditions and the need for continued
short-term assistance.


8. (C) A few of the questions led to revealing answers.
Asked whether the returnees had cell phones, a flurry of
hands went up and - after a brief discussion - the villagers
said there were 44. They said they had to walk several
kilometers to get a signal but did so regularly. The local
officials said they planned to install a tower in 2009 to
bring the signal into the community. In an aside, DG Yong
stated that it was government policy to allow the returnees
to have access to cell phones so they could report back to
their relatives in Thailand and the U.S. on their conditions.
Another question related to freedom of movement and whether
outside visitors were allowed. One individual stood up to
identify himself as a visitor from another province. Others
said they had and could travel to the district towns for
business or personal reasons. There was some ambiguity,
however, regarding whether the Lao officials required prior
notification. Our impression was that there was such a
requirement.


9. (C) DG Yong made certain that we were introduced to two
recent arrivals in Phalak, Phiya Lee and Sai Thoua Yang, who
were among the eight leaders of the Huay Nam Khao camp who
were deported involuntarily by the Thai following the
demonstrations and burning of the camp in June 2008. Human
Rights Watch (HRW) issued a statement in October raising
questions regarding their whereabouts and treatment. (Prior
to the HRW release, a Lao official had informed the Embassy
in confidence that all the leaders were safe and in good
health.) According to DG Yong, these two leaders had not
been jailed in southern Laos (as reported by HRW) but had
been detained at the returnee processing center in Phaksane
District of Laos' Bolikhamsai Province. This detention
lasted until their families were returned to Laos in
November. Phiya Lee and Sai Thoua Yang and their families
reached Phalak Village on November 27. The key elements of
this version of events were confirmed by the two leaders but
we did not have the opportunity to speak to them alone.
Neither showed any signs of being under stress and both
seemed at ease with DG Yong whom they clearly knew well. DG
Yong also had one of the family heads show off his recent
appendectomy scar, presumably to demonstrate that the
returnees had access to hospital care.


10. (C) During the question and answer session, Sai Thoua
Yang was asked about the reasons why Lao Hmong had gone to
the Huay Nam Khao camp and why many were now choosing to
return. His reply was quite probably rehearsed with the Lao
but, nonetheless, seemed credible. He said Lao Hmong began
leaving for Thailand immediately after the U.S. resettled an
earlier group of 15,000 Hmong from Wat Tham Krabok in
2004-05. He said the Hmong went there in the belief they
would also be admitted to the U.S. for resettlement. Instead
they wound up in lengthy detention at the Huay Nam Khao site.

He added that those who have returned to Laos are satisfied
with their living conditions and treatment. One of the woman
leaders in the audience noted that when she was in Huay Nam
Khao, she and others were told about the GOL policy of
clemency toward returnees who would be provided with shelter
and farmland after their return. This, she said, had turned
out to be true. Asked why the others at Huay Nam Khao are
still unwilling to return to Laos, one of the returnees said
they had been told they would be killed by Lao officials if
they returned and some still believed this may be true. He
then wryly remarked that he was clearly alive and happy not
to have been killed.


11. (C) Repeating information that we had received before,
but new to some of the group, DG Yong provided more detail on
Lao policy and treatment of returnees. He stated that of the
approximately 1900 Hmong who have returned from Thailand, all
but those at Phalak and a few at Khamkheut had been returned
to their communities of origin. During the group session, he
said that the returnees at Phalak were there because they had
either sold their property before leaving for Thailand, or
were engaged in slash-and-burn agriculture and had no
villages to which to return. Later, in a private
conversation with the Ambassador and the UNHCR rep, he was
more forthcoming. He said that about half of the Phalak
residents were from an insurgent group led by Blia Shoua Her
(now in a detention facility in Nong Khai, Thailand) who had
operated to the east of Phalak before leaving for Thailand.
These Hmong had gone directly from the jungle to Thailand and
had not been previously integrated into Lao communities. DG
Yong also identified Blia Shoua Her,s group as responsible
for attacks in the area of Vang Vieng that continued through
2006, including one that led to the deaths of two Swiss
tourists in 2003. The Embassy cannot confirm this
accusation. However, if the Lao government believes this is
true, the fact they have been willing to assist in the
resettlement of members of the Blia Shoua Her group is a
positive signal for other "jungle" Hmong.


12. (U) The visit to Phalak ended with a tour of the school.
The head of the school and all the teachers were Hmong but
were not from among the returnees. The students included
children from nearby villages who were not ethnic Hmong. We
were able to talk directly to the students, all of whom spoke
Lao and/or Thai. The age disparities in the classroom were
significant; fourth graders were as young as 8/9 and as old
as 12/13. The older ones all said they were returnees and
had not been regularly schooled in Thailand. The younger
ones were from neighboring villages.

PHATHAO
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13. (C) The group traveled next to Phathao village, 10
kilometers north of Vang Vieng town in northern Vientiane
Province. A community of returnees from Thailand first set
up in 1994 with international assistance, Phatao appeared
prosperous and had good infrastructure, including irrigation.
The point of the visit was essentially to show the foreign
diplomats the progress that had been made over the years in
integrating the returnees and creating conditions for them to
earn their livings. During the town hall meeting, we asked
whether there were any families or individuals from the
community who were now, or had been, in Huay Nam Khao. The
villagers said that four families had been among those
returned recently by the Thai authorities, and an additional
four families had returned on their own. They admitted there
were other families who remained in Thailand but were
reluctant to specify how many. The villagers burst out in
laughter when asked why these people had gone to Thailand,
some for a second time, and a chorus of voices replied, "To
go to a third country." The question, "What third country?"
provoked more hilarity, and the response, "The U.S."

COMMENT
--------------


14. (C) The visit represents a positive step by the Lao
authorities towards transparency regarding the welfare and
treatment of Hmong returnees. Although we had no opportunity
to engage privately with returnees, we did have enough
latitude to ask open-ended questions and gauge the reaction.
The overall impression of the participants, who met for an

after-action review of the trip, was that the returnees were
not under duress. All agreed that while it was important to
encourage any positive moves the Lao make towards giving the
international community access to returnees, it was also
imperative to continue to press for direct international
involvement in assisting returnees and their communities.


15. (C) In this regard, the inclusion of UNHCR and IOM is
significant and may indicate a cautious willingness on the
part of the GOL to allow these agencies a role. The IOM is
represented here in Laos and is quietly discussing with both
the Thai and Lao authorities options that would allow them to
verify whether repatriations are truly voluntary and to
provide some forms of on-going assistance once returnees
reach Laos. The Lao appear to be seriously considering an
IOM program -- if it is couched as a program to assist
returned migrants in general and not just Hmong. We will
continue to work with our like-minded counterparts to press
the Lao to accept international assistance and involvement
from whatever source they find acceptable.


16. (C) An immediate result of the visit has been a thaw in
relations between the Lao and UNHCR. The current UNHCR
representative is a fluent Thai and Lao speaker with long
experience with Southeast Asia refugee protection issues. On
the trip, he established a positive relationship with DG
Yong. Soon after, DG Yong told us he will arrange for the
UNHCR to visit privately the other six Hmong protest leaders.
Yong described this as a "confidence building measure." END
COMMENT.


17. (C) Bio Notes: DG Yong has proven to be a savvy
practitioner of strategic communications. He also has been
a reliable and accurate source of information on the Hmong.
Unfortunately, he will move to a new assignment in January as
the Lao Ambassador in Geneva. He was chosen for the position
to better engage with the UN agencies involved in human
rights and refugee issues. His successor will be the current
Lao Ambassador to Australia, Khenthong Nouanthasinh.
Ambassador Khenthong has had previous postings in New York
and as the MFA Deputy Director General for the Europe and
Americas Department.


HUSO