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2008-07-11 10:21:00
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UKRAINIAN DEPUTY PM NEMYRIA STRIKES THE RIGHT NOTE

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C O N F I D E N T I A L USNATO 000244 

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/09/2018
TAGS: PREL MARR NATO UP
SUBJECT: UKRAINIAN DEPUTY PM NEMYRIA STRIKES THE RIGHT NOTE
AT NATO HQ

Classified By: Charge d'Affaires Richard G. Olson, Jr.
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L USNATO 000244

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/09/2018
TAGS: PREL MARR NATO UP
SUBJECT: UKRAINIAN DEPUTY PM NEMYRIA STRIKES THE RIGHT NOTE
AT NATO HQ

Classified By: Charge d'Affaires Richard G. Olson, Jr.
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)


1. (C) Summary: In a thoughtful and articulate presentation,
Ukrainian Deputy PM Hryhoriy Nemyria briefed the NATO Ukraine
Commission on his new role in coordinating his government,s
cooperation with NATO, and the political situation in Kyiv.
Allies offered encouragement, but those that would like to
prevent a NATO offer of a Membership Action Plan (MAP) in
December questioned Ukraine,s political stability and
expressed concern about the high level of public opposition
to closer links with NATO. End Summary.


2. (C) Ukrainian Deputy PM Hryhoriy Nemyria met with the
NATO-Ukraine Commission (NUC)on July 2 to discuss his new
coordinating role overseeing Ukraine,s cooperation with NATO.


3. (C) The SYG, introducing Nemyria, said this meeting would
constitute an important part of both Ukraine,s Intensified
Dialogue with NATO and the period of intensive engagement
mandated at the Bucharest Summit. He recalled that heads of
state and government at Bucharest had decided that Ukraine
will become a member of NATO, and that the Membership Action
Plan (MAP) would be the next step. The SYG welcomed the
progress that Ukraine has made, but emphasized the need for
improved interagency efficiency and adequate funding for
defense and security sector reform.


4. (C) DPM Nemyria opened his presentation with the
observation that the Bucharest Declaration was a milestone,
that signaled the end of &business as usual8 in the
relationship between Ukraine and NATO. He said Ukraine has
been critically assessing the progress of reforms, and had
decided to bring NGOs into this exercise to give outside
experience and expertise that should be carefully heard.
Nemyria described how he had been given &personal
responsibility8 for effectiveness in the Ukraine-NATO
relationship, an &old-style Soviet8 tasking which could be
a double-edged sword. His response had been that he would
only accept such personal responsibility if the right
structure were to be put in place. Nemyria said that
discussions in the Cabinet had left him with two ideas that
would be key to his role: (I) There is need for an improved

mechanism that will make horizontal coordination across
ministries work, and; (II) Any new coordination body must be
placed high enough to ensure that the political and the
executive levels are linked effectively. He shared that the
written plan for his role was at the Presidential office,
with signature expected &within days,8 adding that he was
engaged in an ongoing process of dialogue with the
Presidential office to ensure the preservation of the
necessary ideals in the plan. Responding to PermReps'
questions on this issue, Nemyria said he had proposed that
his office be staffed by up to 60 personnel with the
necessary experience and training to exercise a coordinating
role. One-third of the staff would be devoted solely to
EuroAtlantic/NATO integration.


5. (C) Nemyria also spoke of his commitment to deliver a
higher quality, timely, and streamlined Annual Target Plan
(ATP) for 2009. He said he had taken a personal interest in
monitoring progress of the 2009 ATP and encouraged an open
process which would enable Ukraine to learn Allies, opinions
on what it needs to correct. His plea was for a &dialogue of
substance, so we can get things done.8


6. (C) Turning to future reforms, Nemyria made a case for
modernizing Ukraine,s National Security and Defense Council,
to focus it appropriately on defense and security rather than
potentially mirroring the Cabinet. He suggested that it would
be important to avoid expanding its powers when defining its
role. Nemyria also acknowledged the validity of certain
PermReps' concerns about the defense budget.

Public Outreach
--------------

7. (C) Nemyria said that he had not come to Brussels to paint
a rosy picture of public opinion in Ukraine. Such an approach
would not inspire trust. Nemyria observed that Ukraine,s
character is an amalgam of regions, some with more of a
Soviet legacy than others, and therefore requires a very high
quality communications effort. He said Ukraine had decided to
triple the budget of its information campaign and implement a

plan to run from 2008 to 2011. Nemyria thanked the PermReps
for their interactions with the public while visiting
Ukraine, saying that sometime the source is even more
important than the message. In response to PermReps'
questions, he concurred that agreement with the opposition at
the political level will not be enough, and highlighted his
efforts to bring the issue to the people by offering to
personally debate the shadow cabinet in universities.


8. (C) Nemyria cautioned against a propaganda-type effort,
saying years of Soviet rule had left the Ukrainian population
inherently resistant to such methods. He expressed his
happiness with the publicity efforts during the recent
European Football Championships, where Ukrainian viewers
tuning in for a game were presented with basic information
about the participation of both countries in European and
EuroAtlantic institutions. (In a clever move, Nemyria also
mentioned he had bought his son an (orange) Dutch national
soccer uniform, earning amused praise from both the SYG and
the normally skeptical Dutch PermRep). Nemyria highlighted
the importance of engaging NGOs and young people in outreach
efforts as more than just recipients of information, instead
making them active in the debate. He said the GoU is also
working to counter opponents, claims that NATO integration
will be about turning Ukraine into a bulwark against Russia.

Political Stability
--------------

9. (C) Nemyria acknowledged that Ukraine,s political
infighting raises doubts in some minds about his country,s
ability to deliver what has been agreed. He asserted that
Ukraine has a &broadly-established framework for political
stability,8 having held three legitimate and democratic
elections that had successfully established the conditions
for a democratic society. He said that the ongoing process of
development, including reform of presidential power and the
parliamentary system, is itself taking place in a transparent
and democratic manner, something that will lend legitimacy to
the eventual result. In an effort to charm Norway, one of the
less-hardline cynics on MAP for Ukraine, Nemyria took
advantage of the discussion on political stability to suggest
that Oslo is the only capital in Europe with a highly-stable
coalition government.


10. (C) Nemyria said that PM Tymoshenko had been consistent
in her discussions with Russia on the EuroAtlantic
integration issue. Putin had agreed with her on the need for
a referendum but had also indicated Ukrainian movement
towards NATO would lead to Russian withdrawal from
cooperation in the military-industrial sector. Nemyria
asserted that despite this, Tymoshenko and Putin had
established a pragmatic relationship in which they had
committed not to discuss highly political issues in an
idiosyncratic manner. He expected them to meet again in
Moscow in September.


Allied Response: Encouragement, but Political Stability and
Public Opinion in Question:
-------------- --------------


11. (C) Lithuania, Romania, Poland, Canada, Estonia,
Portugal, the U.S. and France all praised Ukraine,s
organization of the NAC visit to Kyiv in June. The French
PermRep went on to say that Nemyria,s visit to Brussels was
an example of the vitality of the Alliance, and that Paris
supports Ukraine,s EuroAtlantic aspirations.


12. (C) Germany looked forward to the visit of Chancellor
Merkel to Kyiv, saying that it is "not business as usual" in
the NATO-Ukraine relationship. The German asked how Nemyria
saw the information campaign being tailored. He also asked
Nemyria,s opinion of how difficult it will be to pass
legislation, including the budget, in the current political
climate. Portugal questioned the current level of political
stability and Spain asked if there was sufficient support
remaining in Parliament to ensure continuation of the reform
process.


13. (C) The U.S. and Romania highlighted the distinction
between MAP and membership, as PM Tymoshenko herself had
underlined. U.S. Charge Olson emphasized that MAP is a tool
to begin reforms necessary for membership (and not something

to be awarded only when a country has already met all the
criteria for membership). He praised the planned
inter-ministerial coordination system and asked when it would
begin in earnest. Slovakia, Lithuania, Romania and Hungary
echoed this praise, welcoming visibly increased Ukrainian
ownership and unity of message in relations with NATO.


14. (C) Public opinion weighed heavily on the minds of some
Allies. Hungary said it does not see a divided Ukrainian
society on the NATO issue, just one that is lacking in
information. The Hungarian offered his country,s assistance
with the information campaign. The UK asked how Ukraine can
work on fostering acceptance by the Ukrainian people of
increased ties with NATO. Estonia called on the GoU not to
underestimate the opinions of those that oppose closer ties
with NATO. Italy said it supported membership for Ukraine but
added that political transparency would be crucial, as would
efforts to build consensus and involve civil society. Italy
was also joined by Slovakia, Lithuania, Poland, and Canada in
praising Ukraine for the new public information campaign and
the tripling of its budget.


15. (C) Poland and Canada praised Ukraine for its
contribution to NATO operations. They were joined by Chairman
of the Military Committee Admiral Di Paola who thought such
military cooperation was essential to developing
interoperability.


16. (C) Lithuania hoped for a successful period of intensive
engagement that would lead to MAP in December. Canada and
Italy called on Ukraine to continue its reforms, while
Slovakia and Romania offered to help with reform efforts,
based on their own national experience.


17. (C) Comment: Nemyria did well in this encounter. Allies
appeared uniformly impressed with his professional,
thoughtful and informative presentation, as well as with his
willingness to acknowledge difficulties where they exist.
While he has not changed the minds of anyone on the MAP issue
for Ukraine for December, Nemyria has presented a picture of
a more mature and balanced Ukrainian effort in its
relationship with NATO. The key to consolidating this
impression is for Nemyria to be successful in securing the
necessary power and tools to effectively carry out his
mandate. At future meetings Allies will be looking for
evidence of results.
OLSON