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08SKOPJE212
2008-03-20 15:14:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Skopje
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MACEDONIA: PRESIDENT & PRIME MINISTER ON VIENNA

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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 SKOPJE 000212 

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STATE FOR EUR/SCE, USNATO FOR AMB NULAND

E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/20/2018
TAGS: PREL PGOV NATO MK
SUBJECT: MACEDONIA: PRESIDENT & PRIME MINISTER ON VIENNA
TALKS ON THE NAME

REF: SKOPJE 201 AND PREVIOUS

Classified By: P/E CHIEF SHUBLER, REASONS 1.4 (B) AND (D).

SUMMARY.

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 SKOPJE 000212

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SIPDIS

STATE FOR EUR/SCE, USNATO FOR AMB NULAND

E.O. 12958: DECL: 03/20/2018
TAGS: PREL PGOV NATO MK
SUBJECT: MACEDONIA: PRESIDENT & PRIME MINISTER ON VIENNA
TALKS ON THE NAME

REF: SKOPJE 201 AND PREVIOUS

Classified By: P/E CHIEF SHUBLER, REASONS 1.4 (B) AND (D).

SUMMARY.


1. (C) In separate meetings with President Crvenkovski and PM
Gruevski on March 17, the Ambassador said the US wants to
help Macedonia and Greece reach a compromise on the name
issue that will ensure Macedonia receives a NATO invitation
at the NATO summit in Bucharest. Time is short, however, and
the GOM needs to be more proactive in putting names on the
table, preferably with a geographic modifier to meet Greek
concerns.


2. (C) Both leaders said an agreement was possible, but that
proposals such as those UN Envoy Nimetz had tabled at the
March 17 Vienna talks on the name were non-starters. Both
Gruevski and Crvenkovski suggested additional name options,
including Republic of Makedonia (spelling variant) and
European Republic of Macedonia. Crvenkovski suggested as a
last resort a conditional invitation that would require
resolution of the name dispute before ratification of
Macedonia's membership. Both leaders said a Greek veto would
not cause Macedonia to swerve from its reform course or
continued work toward NATO and EU membership. We are less
sanguine. End summary.

US WANTS TO HELP, TIME IS RUNNING OUT
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3. (C) In a March 17 meeting, Ambassador Milovanovic told PM
Gruevski that the United States wants a successful outcome to
the name negotiations (reftel),but that there is very little
time left. She noted the meeting of the negotiators with
Amb. Nimetz later that day in Vienna and emphasized that the
goal is to settle the issue, not just participate in the
process. The US supported including Macedonia in the
upcoming round of NATO enlargement, but the goal would not be
achieved without a deal with the Greeks. She asked the Prime
Minister whether he thought there were prospects for finding
a solution in time and what were his plans.

AGREEMENT STILL WITHIN REACH
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4. (C) Gruevski replied that agreement "probably" was

possible. He described the March 13 trilateral
(US--Macedonia--Greece) meeting in Brussels, in which FM
Bakoyannis sharply rejected "State of Macedonia" and "State
of Constitutional Macedonia" as name options, while Gruevski
had again rejected "Upper," "New," and "Vardar" as modifiers.
He said he was reluctant to put forward additional, more
flexible names or positions for fear of being stuck with them
when negotiations resume at some point in the future after a
Greek veto. He did not accept that in any negotiation one
can put forward a proposal or offer that is part of a
package, and time-limited, and later withdrawn if agreement
is not reached.

TWO NAME OPTIONS; NEED MORE CHOICES
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5. (C) Gruevski complained that Greece was not satisfied with
simply getting Macedonia to change its name; it also wanted
to choose the new name. The Ambassador said that was why the
Macedonian side needed to supply a larger stock of potential
names. Gruevski asked that the US side float two name ideas
that might work for Macedonia: State of Macedonia (which FM
Bakoyannis has rejected) and Republic of Makedonia (spelling
variant). He made clear that he was only talking about
replacing FYROM wherever it is currently used; he would not
consider altering the name for bilateral use or for
passports.


6. (C) The Ambassador told Gruevski he needed to come up with
ideas more likely to be acceptable to Greece. He retorted
that she had asked him to be forthcoming with possibilities,
and those were the options he currently had in mind. She
agreed we would forward the names.

POST-VETO: REFORMS WILL CONTINUE

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7. (C) In the event of a Greek veto, Gruevski said, his
government would continue to pursue its reform course. He
predicted several months of depression, frustration, and
public and private actions that would not be favorably viewed
in Greece. But reforms in Macedonia would continue with the
same intensity, as would efforts to attract investments. The
government would continue to work for NATO and EU membership.



8. (C) The Ambassador urged Gruevski to consider accepting
instead the risk of a few months of potential unhappiness
over a compromise on the name, followed by all the benefits
of NATO membership and good relations with Greece, as well as
the near-term boost to Macedonia's EU negotiation efforts.
She said the U.S. would work to help explain this decision to
political leaders and the public. Gruevski responded that if
the name options presented were unacceptable it would not be
possible to explain the outcome.

VIENNA MEETING: DIKTAT VS. COMPROMISE
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9. (C) In a meeting later that day, President Crvenkovski
told the Ambassador that Amb Dimitrov had reported the
meeting in Vienna had been &disappointingly bad.8 The
newest Nimetz proposal &was worse than previous ones,8 and
only included names with geographic modifiers and others
Macedonia had rejected in the past ) New Republic of
Macedonia, Republic of Upper Macedonia, or Republika
Makedonija (Skopje) untransliterated. Was Nimetz trying to
get Skopje to reject his proposals? The process looked more
like a diktat than a compromise. Dimitrov told Crvenkovski
that Nimetz told him &I am doing this deliberately to bring
you closer to Greece.8

MAKE AN OFFER
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10. (C) The Ambassador said we had hoped progress in the
Monday meeting would have paved the way for a meeting in
Brussels this week to agree on a name. The US wanted a
negotiated settlement. But Macedonia had to submit
proposals, not just react to them. The PM,s fear that a
Macedonian proposal would be pocketed by Greece, only to have
the goal post moved again, was misplaced ) any offer could
be made conditional on reaching agreement. The US wanted to
facilitate the process, but we needed more active engagement
from the Macedonian side. The next 10 days would be
critical, &make or break.8

TIME IS SHORT
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11. (C) Crvenkovski agreed timing was critical. He said the
PM and President would have to consult with the Parliament )
for legal reasons ) on any compromise solution reached. The
latest date for doing so would be Friday, 3/28, assuming
rapid parliamentary action to pass a resolution (by simple
majority) agreeing to the solution. He said he had long
favored making proposals and negotiating flexibly, but PM
Gruevski was not ready to do so since it appeared Macedonia
was being driven to accept the Greek position. Crvenkovski
predicted the PM would become even more hardline in his
stance as a result.

IF WE GET A GOOD PROPOSAL, ISSUE CAN BE RESOLVED
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12. (C) Crvenkovski noted that he was disappointed that
nothing proposed by Macedonia had been included by Nimetz in
the Vienna talks, even as a throwaway. He said he had
proposed various names during the last consultations with
Nimetz (Autonomous Republic of Macedonia, State of Macedonia,
Democratic Republic of Macedonia, Independent Republic of
Macedonia, Sovereign Republic of Macedonia, Free Republic of
Macedonia),and that the GOM could have worked with those in
the Vienna talks. If Macedonia received a good proposal from
Nimetz, there was room to resolve the issue.


13. (C) The Ambassador pointed out that the proposal had to

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be acceptable to Greece. Crvenkovski replied that Dimitrov
had told Nimetz in Vienna that his proposals had put Skopje
in an &impossible situation.8 Nimetz had countered that
the names proposed were ones Greece might be able to swallow.
(Comment: We believe at least two of the three names on the
table were previously proposed or accepted by Greece. End
comment). Nimetz said that if there was positive response to
his proposal, he would call for another meeting in New York,
possibly next week. Crvenkovski told the Ambassador he
wanted to respond quickly to Nimetz to preserve time in the
process.

TWO POSSIBLE COURSES OF ACTION
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14. (C) Crvenkovski said he was thinking of two possible
courses of action in the coming weeks. He had thought of
writing a letter to the UNSYG, NATO SYG, and other top
leaders explaining the Macedonian position in the name talks
and sharing the names Macedonia had proposed to demonstrate
Skopje,s willingness to be flexible. The Ambassador pointed
out that that course of action would not help resolve the
name issue before Bucharest. Crvenkovski then said he also
was thinking of proposing "European Republic of Macedonia,"
which would show Macedonia,s European orientation. He said
that had once been suggested by the late President
Trajkovski, however, and he was not sure PM Gruevski would
accept it.

CONDITIONAL NATO INVITATION?
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15. (C) The Ambassador urged Crvenkovski to find a geographic
modifier that the Greeks had not yet put forward and propose
it. The President asked whether, if a solution to the name
dispute was not found before Bucharest, it would be possible
to secure a conditional invitation in which both sides would
agree to resolve the issue before Greek ratification. The
Ambassador said the Greek side was very unlikely to accept
that approach. Crvenkovski said that, in the event of a
Greek veto, life would still go on in Macedonia. The
government would continue to work to obtain a NATO invitation
in the future, whether at the 2009 NATO summit or beyond. In
the meantime, Macedonia could work on meeting EU benchmarks
to receive a date for beginning accession negotiations.

COMMENT
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16. (C) We are less sanguine than either the President or the
PM about prospects for sustained public or government
energetic practical efforts toward Euro-Atlantic integration
in the near-term and possibly longer-term aftermath of a
Greek veto. Gruevski is certain to call early elections with
or without a NATO invitation, and the next GOM is likely to
ride to power on a wave of anti-Greek resentment if Athens
vetoes. Disillusionment with NATO in that event could also
be strong. That would rob the government of incentives for
continuing energetically with reforms, which will add to
ethnic Albanian frustration -- and heightened inter-ethnic
tensions -- over being left out of the NATO club because of
the ethnic Macedonian fixation on the name and national
identity.
MILOVANOVIC