KILLION METING WITH UNESCO DDG

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 PARIS FR 002270

SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 12/15/2018
TAGS: PREL UNESCO AORC
SUBJECT: KILLION METING WITH UNESCO DDG

REF: (A) PARIS FR 2263; (B) PARIS FR 2227; (C) 2220

CLASSIFIED BY AMBASSADOR LOUISE OLIVER FOR REASONS 1.4 (b) and (d)


1. (C) Summary: Noting Brazil's reluctance to lose another
international election, DDG Barbosa explained that when he feels
there is adequate support, President Lula will throw Barbosa's name
into the DG race hat. End summary.


2. (C) Senior U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs
Committee (HFAC) staff member, David Killion, met with UNESCO's
Deputy Director-General, Marcio Barbosa on 9 December at UNESCO. He
was accompanied by Ambassador Oliver and Mission political
specialist, David Ostroff.


3. (C) Mr. Killion began the meeting by explaining the purpose of
his trip to Paris, which was to express the serious concern of the
HFAC regarding the candidacy of Egypt's Farouk Hosni for the position
of Director-General of UNESCO. Mr. Killion said that the HFAC was
advising President-elect Obama's transition team on UNESCO matters,
and wanted to communicate to both Member State representatives and
key Secretariat managers that the incoming Democrats are likely to
share the Bush administration's belief that Hosni, as an individual,
was unacceptable. Killion also said that UNESCO is likely to be seen
as an important vehicle for the Obama administration to further its
"soft power" agenda, though Hosni's election as DG would seriously
compromise UNESCO's potential, as far as the U.S. is concerned.


4. (C) Barbosa said that the hard work done by DG Matsuura has
created a solid base for UNESCO's future efforts, and he is extremely
concerned that it not be dismantled by a new DG, in reference to the
Egyptian candidate. Barbosa added that he believes that Matsuura has
had some success at regaining UNESCO's credibility as an important
player, but admitted that the game is not over, and that there is
still much work to be done.


5. (C) Noting two areas where he has not succeeded, Barbosa
mentioned the problems between the organization's field offices and
headquarters, which remain unresolved. He also noted the
organization's complicated human resources structure, which makes it
difficult to bring in people with different skills as the needs of
the organization evolve.


6. (C) Barbosa said that despite the frustrations, he has seen many
major changes since his arrival. From dealing with rat infestations
to having almost no computers less than seven years ago, Barbosa
expressed his pride in moving UNESCO into the computer age, despite
limited resources that continue to plague the organization's ability
to carry out its mandate.


7. (C) Barbosa also said that structurally, UNESCO still operates on
a sectoral basis, while he believes it must in the future develop an
intersectoral approach if it is to maintain sustainable results.
Ambassador Oliver agreed, noting that this kind of transformation
would require a cultural change, but that people protecting their
sectoral turf often made it difficult.


8. (C) In response to Ambassador Oliver's question about the current
situation regarding Mughrabi gate, Barbosa said that the last
"encounter" had been postponed at the request of the Jordanians, who
had expected the Israelis to allow them access to take physical
measurements of the site. The Israelis clearly were not going to
accept this, although they have offered the measurements of their
experts to the Jordanians. Barbosa said that ultimately this is a
technical question and that the Jordanians would have to come to
accept the validity of the data offered by the Israelis in order to
advance.

9. (C) Barbosa said that the different visions for the reconstruction
of the Mughrabi gate remain far apart. The Jordanians working on a
design blending with the historical site, etc., and the Israelis
designing a more modern structure, that could, Jordan fears, provide
access to vehicles on the Temple Mount. Barbosa said that the
Israeli experts are trying to convince the Israeli courts not to move
forward on a design that UNESCO's world Heritage Committee would
never accept. Barbosa added, proudly, that the UN Quartet sees
UNESCO as a credible partner on this subject, given the fact that
UNESCO has successfully brought the parties to the table numerous
times and has a record of success for finding consensus on this
extremely sensitive subject.


10. (C) Ambassador Oliver asked Barbosa about his recent statement
regarding a role for UNESCO with biofuel research. Barbosa responded
by saying that in terms of policy advice and capacity-building, he
believes that UNESCO does have a niche to exploit on the subject. He
added that he knows that the Russians and Arab states would not be
pleased, but said that the C/5 already opens the door to such work,
given its reference to UNESCO's role in connection with renewable
energy.


11. (C) Changing the subject to the DG race, Barbosa said that
Brazil's president Lula is reluctant to make a decision on a
Brazilian candidacy given the fact that Brazil has been unsuccessful
in several attempts to win a seat for its candidates in the UN

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system, including the recent loss of a seat in WIPO by one vote.
Barbosa mentioned the Brazilian senator, Cristovam Buarque, who, he
said was fired by Lula as his minister of education, and moved into
the opposition party. Barbosa said that Lula would "never" support
him.


12. (C) Barbosa believes that if Lula sees a reasonably adequate
level of support for a Brazilian candidate, Lula will then put
Barbosa's name forward. Barbosa added that if the Arabs, however,
are united behind the Egyptian candidate, it will be very difficult
to go against a unified regional group and win. However, he added,
that if unity is not strong and cracks develop in the wall, there
might be an announcement by Brazil in February or March.


13. (C) Bringing in a little history, Barbosa mentioned the case
during the Matsuura election when the Saudis decided not to support
Ismail Serageldin, the Egyptian candidate, even though the Egyptians
had managed to gain the support of the African group. Once the
Saudis had breached the dam, despite the claimed support of a unified
regional group behind Egypt, the road became clear for Matsuura to
win the election.

OLIVER