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08GENEVA562
2008-07-22 09:15:00
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US Mission Geneva
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JCIC-XXXII: TAYLOR/KOSHELEV LUNCH, JULY 15, 2008

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O 220915Z JUL 08
FM USMISSION GENEVA
TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 6761
CIA WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
DIA WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
JOINT STAFF WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
SECDEF WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
USMISSION USNATO IMMEDIATE
DEPT OF ENERGY WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
DTRA ALEX WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
DTRA-OSES DARMSTADT GE IMMEDIATE
CNO WASHINGTON DC IMMEDIATE
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INFO AMEMBASSY ASTANA PRIORITY
AMEMBASSY KYIV PRIORITY
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AMEMBASSY MOSCOW PRIORITY
S E C R E T GENEVA 000562 


DEPT FOR T, VCI AND EUR/PRA
DOE FOR NNSA/NA-24
CIA FOR WINPAC
JCS FOR J5/DDGSA
SECDEF FOR OSD(P)/STRATCAP
NAVY FOR CNO-N5JA AND DIRSSP
AIRFORCE FOR HQ USAF/ASX AND ASXP
DTRA FOR OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR
NSC FOR LUTI
DIA FOR LEA

E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/22/2018
TAGS: KACT PARM START JCIC INF US RS UP BO KZ

SUBJECT: JCIC-XXXII: TAYLOR/KOSHELEV LUNCH, JULY 15, 2008

Classified By: Jerry A. Taylor, United States Representative
to the Joint Compliance and Inspection Commission.
Reasons: 1.4(b) and (d).

S E C R E T GENEVA 000562


DEPT FOR T, VCI AND EUR/PRA
DOE FOR NNSA/NA-24
CIA FOR WINPAC
JCS FOR J5/DDGSA
SECDEF FOR OSD(P)/STRATCAP
NAVY FOR CNO-N5JA AND DIRSSP
AIRFORCE FOR HQ USAF/ASX AND ASXP
DTRA FOR OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR
NSC FOR LUTI
DIA FOR LEA

E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/22/2018
TAGS: KACT PARM START JCIC INF US RS UP BO KZ

SUBJECT: JCIC-XXXII: TAYLOR/KOSHELEV LUNCH, JULY 15, 2008

Classified By: Jerry A. Taylor, United States Representative
to the Joint Compliance and Inspection Commission.
Reasons: 1.4(b) and (d).


1. (U) This is JCIC-XXXII-004.


2. (U) Meeting Date: July 15, 2008
Time: 1:00 - 2:15 P.M.
Place: Restaurant Le Creux-de-Genthod
Participants:

U.S. Russia

Mr. Taylor Mr. Koshelev


3. (S) U.S. JCIC Representative Taylor hosted a lunch for
Russian JCIC Representative Koshelev on July 15, 2008, prior
to the opening of BIC-IX and JCIC-XXXII, scheduled to begin
on July 16 and 17, 2008, respectively.


4. (S) Taylor welcomed Koshelev to Geneva and said he looked
forward to a very productive JCIC session. Koshelev agreed
with Taylor's proposal to dispense with an opening plenary
meeting and the requisite opening statements. He said he had
earlier talked with the Belarusian Representative who agreed
with the approach, but he had not discussed this with the
Ukrainian and Kazakhstani Representatives.


5. (S) Taylor stated that, with respect to the two issues
the U.S. had placed on the agenda (SS-24 solid rocket motor
(SRM) Elimination Procedures and changes to the Drovyanaya
Site Diagram),the U.S. was ready to conclude these issues.
Koshelev thanked Taylor for the U.S. willingness to conclude
an S-Series Joint Statement on the Drovyanaya Site Diagram
issue. With regard to the SS-24 SRM Elimination issue, it
was Russia's position that whatever the U.S. and Ukraine
could work out would be agreeable to Russia. Russia would
not stand in the way of success on this issue. Koshelev said
the two primary issues which Russia was concerned about were
the obligatory discussion of whether the START Treaty should
be extended and Votkinsk and POE closures. They were the

driving issues for the meeting in Geneva. Koshelev wondered
what means the U.S. envisioned to record the Parties'
positions regarding the requirements of Article XVII. Taylor
offered that he had not considered a particular form for
recording the results of such a discussion and he would be
interested in what Koshelev had to offer in this regard.


6. (S) With regard to Article XVII, Taylor noted that one
reason a document would be needed would be for political
reasons so that others outside the Treaty might know and
understand the outcome of the discussions. The only
requirement spelled out in the Treaty was that the Parties
meet no later than one year prior to the expiration of the
Treaty. Taylor said he believed that date to be December 4,

2008.


7. (S) Koshelev stated that it had been very difficult to
convince his superiors that the Parties should meet in the
JCIC. It was only at the point where he introduced the issue
of the obligation for the Parties to meet regarding Article
XVII were his bosses agreeable to the meeting. Something the
Parties should consider is where and when to meet in the BIC,
as the possibility of the START meetings in Geneva would
expire with the Treaty. It would be more economical to meet
in capitals. Taylor offered that the Treaty provided for the
Parties to agree to meet in a different location, Geneva was
well-suited for our meetings as the Embassies were not as

well-prepared to accept delegations for one week or two weeks
of work, as this would place an undue burden on their
facilities. As for the BIC, this was a different story.
Meeting in capitals for a one- or two-day conference was
certainly a possibility, one in fact which Taylor had
discussed in the past with Mr. Boryak.


8. (S) Koshelev said the Parties should consider how to
formalize the meeting schedule of the BIC, as the mechanism
of the START Treaty might not possibly be available to link
the meetings of the BIC. Meeting in capitals on a regular
basis would facilitate the exchange of information.


9. (S) Koshelev asked how the election would affect our work
in the BIC and JCIC. Some time ago, a delegation of
high-ranking officials from a previous administration had
visited Moscow and had told several officials, Koshelev being
among them, that Moscow should just wait until after the
election and a "better deal" could be obtained. Koshelev
would not elaborate on what "better deal" meant, but was
curious regarding an assessment of future arms control work.
Taylor opined that, while he did not have any direct
knowledge of future plans regarding the START and Moscow
Treaties, he believed that both the Republican and Democratic
candidates would likely have a different approach based on
what he had read from both Party's web sites. Asked whether
he thought a post-START agreement could be finished during
President Bush's term, Taylor said that he was hopeful.
.

10. (S) Koshelev told Taylor that Mr. Faircloth, the
Director of the On-Site Directorate of DTRA, had visited
Moscow recently and had mentioned the need to begin planning
for the possible shut down of Votkinsk and the POEs should
the START Treaty not be extended. Taylor informed Koshelev
that he had visited with Mr. Faircloth during the recent
Votkinsk 20th Year Celebration and Mr. Faircloth had informed
him that preliminary planning was beginning on a contingency
basis. Taylor did not have any details as this process had
just begun. Koshelev offered that Russia wanted to raise
this in the JCIC as a way of "brain-storming" the issue. In
that way, Russia hoped to understand as much about what
needed to be done as it could in advance. Koshelev said that
he felt there would need to be a good deal of work done on
this as there were several considerations with regard to
equipment at Votkinsk and the POEs that would need to be
secured and removed by the Parties. This would not just
happen on its own accord. There was the consideration that
the Treaty permitted the inspecting Party the right to
conduct continuous monitoring up until midnight on the last
day of the Treaty, but that the monitors ceased to have any
rights after that time. Without proper planning, this could
present problems for both the U.S. and Russia.


11. (U) Documents exchanged. None.


12. (U) Taylor sends.
TICHENOR


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