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2008-11-21 16:04:00
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JCIC-XXXIII: (U) U.S.-UKRAINE HEAD OF DELEGATION

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/17/2018
TAGS: KACT PARM START JCIC INF US RS UP BO KZ

SUBJECT: JCIC-XXXIII: (U) U.S.-UKRAINE HEAD OF DELEGATION
MEETING ON ARTICLE XVII, NOVEMBER 20, 2008

REF: GENEVA 0991 JCIC-XXXIII-013

Classified By: Jerry A. Taylor, United States Representative
to the Joint Compliance and Inspection Commission.
Reasons: 1.5(b) and (d).

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NAVY FOR CNO-N5JA AND DIRSSP
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DTRA FOR OP-OS OP-OSA AND DIRECTOR
NSC FOR HAYES
DIA FOR LEA

E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/17/2018
TAGS: KACT PARM START JCIC INF US RS UP BO KZ

SUBJECT: JCIC-XXXIII: (U) U.S.-UKRAINE HEAD OF DELEGATION
MEETING ON ARTICLE XVII, NOVEMBER 20, 2008

REF: GENEVA 0991 JCIC-XXXIII-013

Classified By: Jerry A. Taylor, United States Representative
to the Joint Compliance and Inspection Commission.
Reasons: 1.5(b) and (d).


1. (U) This is JCIC-XXXIII-021.


2. (U) Meeting Date: November 20, 2008
Time: 3:00 - 3:30 P.M.
Place: U.S. Mission, Geneva

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SUMMARY
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3. (S) At Ukrainian request, U.S. and Ukrainian Heads of
Delegation (HOD) met to discuss and clarify the Ukrainian
position outlined during the November 17, 2008 (Ref),HOD
meeting on Article XVII. Nykonenko stated that Ukraine
wanted to remain part of the START process if START is
extended and to be included as part of any post-START
process. If START is not extended and if Ukraine is not part
of the post-START process, Ukraine, for internal political
purposes, would ask for reconfirmation by the United States
and Russia of the security assurances contained in the 1994
Trilateral Statement. He also previewed that he would be
proposing three JCIC sessions in 2009 primarily for the
purpose of allowing the Ukrainian side to discuss START
extension.

End Summary.


4. (S) After being welcomed by U.S. HOD Taylor, AMB
Nykonenko, who had been absent during the November 17, 2008,
HOD meeting on Article XVII, stated that he was aware that
there had been a lively debate on the question of the
possible extension of START or its replacement by a new
instrument, and that the latter possibility posed a great
concern to Ukraine. He stressed that Ukraine wanted to
remain part of the process, explaining that his government
thought that Ukraine deserved to be included, taking into
account all of its contributions to START. He recalled that

Ukraine had held an unambiguous and steadfast position from
the beginning but that its decision to reject nuclear weapons
was not taken easily: the Trilateral Statement and the
Budapest Memorandum were not just for the experts but also
for domestic politics, emphasizing that it had a very large
domestic political dimension. It was for that reason, he
said, that Ukraine wanted to remain part of the process.
Nykonenko added that Ukraine had a major concern that "our
Russian colleagues" might unilaterally expand their nuclear
capability in a way that would directly affect Ukraine's
national security. Aside from the political aspects of the
issue, Nykonenko said that the main problem was that Ukraine
still had solid fuel and solid rocket motors that require
elimination.


5. (S) Nykonenko then turned to the question of the
U.S-Russian draft agreement on post-START. He said that this
question was even more acute, adding that he was aware of the
U.S. and Russian position, and said that what he was going to
tell Taylor may become the foundation of how Ukraine develops
its position. Ukraine knows that Russia does not want
Ukraine to remain in this process but Ukraine has a different
position, which may diverge from that of the Russians.


6. (S) Taylor stated that the United States does not see
START being extended although some provisions of the Treaty
might be carried over, and that the U.S. view in the future
would be guided by the results of senior level discussions.
He acknowledged that the United States had provided a draft
of a post-START agreement to Russia, that it was based on the
Moscow Treaty, and focused on operationally deployed
strategic nuclear warheads. Taylor agreed that Ukraine had
contributed to the successful implementation of START,
especially through the removal of all nuclear warheads from
Ukraine. At present, the only Treaty-accountable items that
remained in Ukraine were the remaining SS-24 solid rocket
motors, as all other strategic offensive arms had been
eliminated. The post-START document developed by the United
States did not include Ukraine.


7. (S) Nykonenko asked whether his understanding was correct
that the United States did not see Ukraine as part of that
future process. Taylor confirmed Nykonenko's understanding.
Nykonenko then asked what sort of confirmation of the
security assurances contained in the Trilateral Statement and
the Budapest Memorandum the United States foresaw providing
to Ukraine. Taylor responded that he did not have an answer
to that question at this time but he noted that he had
reviewed the Trilateral Statement with his legal adviser and
had not seen any provision therein that would cause it to
terminate when START expired.


8. (S) Nykonenko, setting aside the legal aspects, said that
it was for good reason that he had stressed the memorandum
and the domestic political scene that could impact the
situation. He said that it was important for Ukraine to have
a document that would reconfirm the U.S. position in the
framework of the Trilateral Statement, and Ukraine would also
like this document to be trilateral, while recognizing that
Ukraine cannot ask Russia for that at this time. Such a
document was more salient after what happened in Georgia in
August. He added that, while he was not going to say much
more, it was also based on Crimea and the presence of the
Black Sea Fleet and its continued presence there. He asked
that Taylor pass on to his authorities the attention that
Ukraine is devoting to this issue. He explained that he
would not characterize this as a major concern but that it
should be seen in the context of U.S.-Ukrainian relationship,
and that he would note the reaction of the Russians to the
Ukrainian proposal about continuing participation in the
process.


9. (S) Taylor expressed his regret that the two sides had
not had a chance to have this meeting earlier, before the
November 17 meeting, because of the strong reactions the
Ukrainian statement had elicited. He noted, however, that he
understood the seriousness of the political situation.
Nykonenko concluded the meeting by giving Taylor a preview of
an idea the Ukrainian side would be proposing at the November
21 Closing Plenary: Given the complexity of issues related
to START extension, Ukraine will propose the possibility that
the JCIC meet not just in the two normal sessions but in at
least three sessions, proposing April, August and December as
possibilities. Nykonenko said that such a schedule would
provide a forum to discuss this issue more with all involved.


10. (U) Documents exchanged: None.


11. (U) Participants:

U.S.

Mr. Taylor
Mr. Brown
Mr. Kuehne
Ms. Gross (Int)

UKRAINE

AMB Nykonenko
Dr. Shevtsov
Mr. Bodarenko


12. (U) Taylor sends.
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