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08CAIRO1271
2008-06-19 11:44:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Cairo
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CODEL RAHALL, DEFENSE MINISTER DISCUSS THE GAZA

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/19/2018
TAGS: PARM PREL MARR IQ IS EG
SUBJECT: CODEL RAHALL, DEFENSE MINISTER DISCUSS THE GAZA
BORDER, EGYPT'S REGIONAL ROLE

REF: CAIRO 1110

Classified By: DCM Stuart Jones for reason 1.4 (b).

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 CAIRO 001271

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/19/2018
TAGS: PARM PREL MARR IQ IS EG
SUBJECT: CODEL RAHALL, DEFENSE MINISTER DISCUSS THE GAZA
BORDER, EGYPT'S REGIONAL ROLE

REF: CAIRO 1110

Classified By: DCM Stuart Jones for reason 1.4 (b).


1. (C) Summary: Codel Rahall, comprised of Rep. Nick Rahall
(D-WV),Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA),Rep. Ray LaHood (R-IL),
Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-LA),Rep. John Linder (R-GA) and
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA),met with Defense Minister Tantawi
June 1, accompanied by the Ambassador and OMC Chief. Rep.
Rahall underscored Congressional interest in Egyptian
smuggling interdiction on the Gaza border. Rep. Issa urged
the Defense Minister to establish an Egyptian military or
police presence in Iraq, and noted that Congress would view
such a move favorably. The Ambassador urged Tantawi to visit
Iraq personally to send a message to Iran that Egypt is
committed to Iraqi security. The Defense Minister said that
Egypt is "doing its best" on the Gaza border, cited Egypt's
plans to deploy a U.S.-supplied counter-tunneling system on
the border, and complained that Israel will not allow Egypt
to increase its Border Guard Forces. Tantawi said that it
would be "too dangerous" to send Egyptian soldiers to Iraq,
and asserted that Egypt's stability "at the heart of the
region" is a strategic asset for the U.S. End summary.


2. (C) Rep. Rahall told the Defense Minister that the Codel
is visiting Egypt as friends of the GOE, and thanked the
Defense Minister for Egypt's counterterrorism cooperation and
work on the Middle East peace process. The Congressman said
that U.S. military assistance is an important part of the
bilateral relationship, and noted that Egyptian efforts to
interdict smuggling on the Gaza border are the main focus of
Members of Congress who work on appropriations issues. Rep.
Issa thanked the Defense Minister for facilitating his travel
from Egypt to Lebanon during the summer 2006 war in order to
deliver relief supplies to Lebanese civilians.


3. (C) Defense Minister Tantawi said that Egypt is doing "its
best" on the border, noted GOE plans to deploy a
U.S.-supplied counter-tunneling system, and urged the Codel
not to believe press articles or statements from Israel
criticizing Egypt's actions on the border. He asked that the

U.S. not allow its relations with Israel to impact negatively
on U.S. bilateral relations with Egypt. The Defense Minister
said that the current number of 750 Border Guard Force (BGF)
soldiers that Egypt deploys, consistent with the Camp David
Accords and the 2005 Egyptian-Israeli Agreed Arrangements, is
not sufficient, and that the GOE is frustrated with Israel's
refusal to allow additional GOE Border Guard Forces. Tantawi
said, "Most Gazans are innocent," and that Palestinian women
and children stormed the Egyptian border in January 2008
"desperate for food." He asked the Codel rhetorically, "Can
I issue orders to kill them?"


4. (C) Assistant Minister of Defense for Policy MG Al-Assar
said that Egypt is working with the U.S. to set up a
counter-tunneling seismic acoustic system with robots that is
expected to be operational at the border by early 2009. MG
Al-Assar added that the GOE has destroyed 93 tunnel openings
thus far in 2008, after destroying 74 openings in 2007.
(Note: per reftel, LAWIO told us May 26 that the GOE
destroyed 115 tunnel openings in 2007. End note.) Al-Assar
added that Egyptian Border Guard Force soldiers are making a
100 percent effort to interdict smuggling, but cannot ensure
a 100 percent success rate. Al-Assar said that the GOE is
spending $165 million to improve BGF capabilities. (Note:
The GOE has committed $165 million in FMF toward procuring
systems to improve Egypt's comprehensive border protection
capabilities, not only for the Gaza border. End note.)
Al-Assar claimed that because the tunnels are only "one meter
wide," smugglers are not using the tunnels to transport
rockets into Gaza. Instead, he said, these rockets are
coming into Gaza by sea, which is Israel's area of
responsibility. Regarding the counter-tunneling system, MG
Collings explained that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has
worked closely with OMC and the GOE to plan for deploying the
equipment on the border.


5. (C) Rep. Issa said that Congressional perceptions of Egypt
would be more positive if the GOE were to engage more on
Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. He encouraged the
Defense Minister to establish a presence on the ground in
Iraq consisting of police units or a military liaison team.
The Congressman said that such a presence would be noted
favorably in Congress. He said that the current absence of
Egyptian military and police in Iraq is "a mistake." The
Ambassador underscored that it is important for Egypt to have
an on-the-ground presence in Iraq, and suggested that the
Defense Minister visit Baghdad to send a message to Iran that

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the chief of the largest Arab army is committed to security
in Iraq.


6. (C) Defense Minister Tantawi replied that conditions in
Iraq are currently "too dangerous" for Egyptian soldiers. He
said that Egyptian soldiers in Iraq would be killed. "We
know the Iraqis," he added, "and the Iraqis don't like
Egyptians." He suggested that Iraq send its officers for
training in Egypt. Tantawi said that Egypt's stability is a
strategic asset for the U.S. in the region. An unstable
Egypt would be "very dangerous for the U.S.," he said,
adding, "Egypt is the heart of the region, not like Qatar or
Bahrain." MG Al-Assar noted Egypt's provision of logistical
support, security and preferential treatment for U.S. forces
transiting the Suez Canal. Al-Assar said that Egypt has
deployed 2,400 peacekeeping troops to the UN mission in
Sudan, and has provided medical aid to the people of Darfur.
He added that Egypt maintains a field hospital in Lebanon and
sent ammunition to the Lebanese Armed Forces to fight against
extremists in the Naher Al-Bared refugee camp.


7. (U) Codel Rahall did not have the opportunity to clear
this message.
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