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08ATHENS967
2008-07-07 15:41:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Athens
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FM BAKOYANNIS ON MACEDONIA NAME, HSPD-6, AND

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/06/2018
TAGS: PREL PGOV CVIS NATO IZ MK IS GR
SUBJECT: FM BAKOYANNIS ON MACEDONIA NAME, HSPD-6, AND
MIDDLE EAST VISITORS

REF: ATHENS 925

Classified By: Ambassador Daniel V. Speckhard for 1.4 (b) and (d)

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DEPT ALSO FOR EUR/SE AND EUR/SCE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/06/2018
TAGS: PREL PGOV CVIS NATO IZ MK IS GR
SUBJECT: FM BAKOYANNIS ON MACEDONIA NAME, HSPD-6, AND
MIDDLE EAST VISITORS

REF: ATHENS 925

Classified By: Ambassador Daniel V. Speckhard for 1.4 (b) and (d)

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1. (C) In a July 3 conversation, FM Bakoyannis told Amb.
Speckhard that although UN Mediator Nimetz' recent meetings
had been "positive," she was skeptical that the Macedonians
were prepared to "accept and use" a new name. Ambassador
Speckhard emphasized the importance of flexibility, noting
that Nimetz' most recent proposals had met the fundamental
Greek concerns. He urged Greece to give Nimetz something to
work with on issues that were less vital to Greece's core
interests, including how Skopje approves any settlement (i.e.
referendum, constitutional changes),topographical terms,
etc. Bakoyannis reiterated Greek concerns about a referendum
in Skopje, and emphasized Greek expectations that any
settlement will be "clear" to avoid any future situations
like the PSI 5-year anniversary event in which Macedonia was
seated as the Republic of Macedonia.


2. (C) On other issues, Bakoyannis reiterated that Greece
will need to obtain Parliamentary approval to conclude the
HSPD-6 agreement, but said Greek changes to the proposed text
will be slight. She also expected the Parliament to act
quickly on the agreement. She briefly shared her impressions
of recent visits of:
-- Iraqi President Talabani - who was very optimistic on
Iraq; and
-- Israeli Defense Minister Barak and Palestinian Authority
President Abbas - where she believes Israel is misplaying the
situation, and the Palestinian people cannot put up with the
status quo for much longer. She also said Barak c
is "not optimistic." She had emphasized to Nimetz that the
Macedonians must be ready to accept and use a mutually
acceptable name. Listening to PM Gruevski, Bakoyannis said
she did not believe this was so. She said Gruevski's
comments linking the name solution to the status of the
"Macedonian minority" in Greece "only create more problems."

The Ambassador suggested that some of the Macedonian
statements might be a reaction to the "side issues" raised by
Greece, such as topographical designations, the question of a
referendum, etc. Bakoyannis said Nimetz had been the one to
raise topographical designations, and Greece had "no real
problems" there.


4. (C) Bakoyannis became more animated on the issue of a
possible referendum in Macedonia on any settlement.
Following any agreement, she argued that during the period
required to organize and carry out a referendum the agreement
would be subject to extensive public scrutiny and debate in
Greece. She said that the Greek opposition would exploit
this opportunity and push for a referendum on the issue of
NATO enlargement, which the Government could not allow. The
Ambassador emphasized that it would be best to first get an
agreement and then worry about how each country sells it to
the public. In any case, he urged the FM to let the
Macedonians figure out their own processes to approve any
settlement. Bakoyannis responded that a referendum in
Macedonia was extraordinarily problematic for Greece.


5. (C) Bakoyannis reasserted that "erga omnes" means exactly
that -- for all uses. The Ambassador responded that such
terms require "fine tuning" through negotiations. Bakoyannis
responded that Greece insists on "clarity" on how the new
name will be used. Otherwise, Macedonia will continue its
"current practice" of pressing for use of its constitutional
name. Greece does not want to see another situation like the
Washington 5-year PSI Anniversary event, in which Macedonia
was seated as the Republic of Macedonia. Greece "wants this
settled once and for all" with "no ambiguity." The
Ambassador reiterated the importance of keeping focus on the
key issues -- the new international name and its scope of use
-- and to show maximum flexibility to give Nimetz something

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6. (C) The Ambassador pressed the FM to move quickly on the
proposed HSPD-6 agreement to keep the VWP process moving. He
urged the GOG to make as few changes as possible. Bakoyannis
said they would do so with only a few changes to the text,
but confirmed once there was agreement MFA lawyers had
concluded that it must go to the Greek Parliament for
authorization. However, she said that this authorization
could be obtained quickly, "within the month," as she had
promised the Secretary. (Note: Working levels of the MFA
tell us that we should be receiving Greek comments on the
draft HSPD-6 text in the next few days. End Note).

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7. (C) Bakoyannis briefly updated the Ambassador on her
meetings with Iraqi President Talabani, Israeli Defense
Minister Barak, and Palestinian Authority President Abbas,
who were all in Greece for a meeting of the Socialist
International, which is headed by major opposition party
PASOK President George Papandreou.

-- Talabani: Bakoyannis said Talabani was very positive on
the situation in Iraq. She also noted that Greece plans to
open an diplomatic office in Kurdistan, and she promised to
visit Iraq, hopefully by the end of the year.

-- Barak and Abbas: She said that the public eye should be
on Israel, as it is failing to do what it needs to do to move
the peace process forward. Bakoyannis said that there are
more roadblocks in place now than at the time of the
Annapolis Conference, and Israel must know that this is a
threat and that the Palestinian people cannot withstand this
situation indefinitely. In response to a question from the
Ambassador, Bakoyannis said that Barak had told her that the
recent Greece-Israel military exercise in the Mediterranean
had been "exactly that," and had no connection to Israeli
planning or preparations for any operation against Iran
(reftel) as had been suggested by the New York Times.
SPECKHARD