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08ATHENS1541
2008-11-12 07:47:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Athens
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GREECE: AMBASSADOR RAISES MLAT, TIP, IPR WITH

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/09/2018
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SUBJECT: GREECE: AMBASSADOR RAISES MLAT, TIP, IPR WITH
JUSTICE PANAGIOTOPOULOS

REF: A. ATHENS 1455

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Classified By: Ambassador Daniel V. Speckhard for 1.4 (b) and (d)

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/09/2018
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SUBJECT: GREECE: AMBASSADOR RAISES MLAT, TIP, IPR WITH
JUSTICE PANAGIOTOPOULOS

REF: A. ATHENS 1455

B. ATHENS 996

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Classified By: Ambassador Daniel V. Speckhard for 1.4 (b) and (d)


1. (C) SUMMARY: In a November 6 meeting, Ambassador
Speckhard raised with Georgios Panagiotopoulos, President and
Justice of the Greek Council of State (an equivalent to the
Chief Justice of the Supreme Court),several legal issues: 1)
the need for Greece to move expeditiously in ratifying the
U.S.-EU Mutual Legal Assistance (MLA) and Extradition
Agreements, which are currently hung up in the Ministry of
Justice; 2) the importance of the judiciary showing its
commitment to combat trafficking in persons (TIP) by
increasing convictions and sentences for traffickers; 3)
Greece's inadequate regime for IPR protection and
enforcement; and 4) corruption in the judiciary.
Panagiotopoulos, who is traveling to the U.S. and will meet
Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy this week, offered to
include our concerns in his report to the Ministry of Justice
on his return. This meeting was a rare chance to discuss
important agenda items with one of the most senior members of
the Greek judiciary. END SUMMARY.


2. (C) Panagiotopoulos is traveling to the U.S. from
November 9-16 and while there will visit the Supreme Court,
hold private talks and a reception with Justice Anthony
Kennedy, and attend UN tribunal meetings in New York. The
Ambassador met with Panagiotopoulos in advance of his visit
to push forward our agenda on MLA, TIP, and IPR issues -- all
of which are influenced by judicial action (or inaction).

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Greece's Three-Part Judiciary: A Critical Interlocutor
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3. (C) Greece's three-pronged judiciary wields significant
influence over all aspects of Greek law, and outreach to
judges is important for us to push forward our agenda on TIP
enforcement and IPR reform. Panagiotopoulos is the chief
justice for the Greek Council of State, the highest court in
the administrative and constitutional law court system, while
the Court of Cassation (Areios Pagos) is the highest court

for civil and penal law, and the Chamber of Accounts oversees
government budgeting and fiscal law.

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Panagiotopoulos on MLA, TIP, IPR, Corruption
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4. (C) Ambassador Speckhard raised USG concerns on the
stalled MLA and Extradition Agreements and asked for
Panagiotopoulos help in getting the implementing legislation
out of the Ministry of Justice and into the Parliament so
that they could be ratified. Panagiotopoulos offered to
include our views in his report to the Ministry of Justice
after his trip to the U.S. He said that the delays were not
issues of legality, but bureaucratic, and offered to raise
the issue with his wife, Caliope Bourdara, a Special Advisor
to Minister of Foreign Affairs Dora Bakoyianni.


5. (C) Ambassador Speckhard said the United States would
welcome greater judicial activity on Trafficking in Persons
(TIP) and Intellectual Property Rights (IPR). In both cases,
it is important that the judiciary impose greater penalties
and sentences for those found guilty. In response,
Panagiotopoulos stated that Greece's problems were twofold:
first, these were relatively new issues for Greece and Greek
society to handle, and second, current and future justices
required better training. When the Ambassador raised the
issue of deterring judicial corruption, Panagiotopoulos
asserted that corruption "essentially did not exist" in the
Greek system and that recent scandals in the judiciary were
an exception. He also noted that the seven judges recently
dismissed for corruption were "socially ostracized" and that
this provided a strong deterrent. (NOTE: Seven judges were
dismissed earlier this year for a variety of
money-laundering, church-related, and property scandals.
Though the cases are still undeQinvestigation, corrupt
judges typically receive lenient or suspended sentences. We
question Panagiotopoulos' assertion that corruption in the
Greek judiciary is "non existent." END NOTE.)

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Panagiotopoulos Proposes Judicial Conference
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6. (C) Panagiotopoulos said that he was excited about his
visit to the U.S. and expressed enthusiasm for future
judicial exchanges between the U.S. and Greece. In his role

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as President of the Board of Directors of the National School
of Judges in Thessaloniki, he offered to host the Ambassador
and U.S. judicial officials for a conference. This forum,
Panagiotopoulos added, would be a good chance for TIP and
IPR-themed training. The Ambassador offered his full support
for this idea.

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COMMENT: Multi-Pronged Outreach Essential
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7. (C) COMMENT: TIP and IPR issues involve all parts of the
fragmented Greek legal system: courts, prosecutors, the
Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Finance (including the
Special Customs Service),police (under the Ministry of
Interior),and the Coast Guard (under the Ministry of
Merchant Marine). While Panagiotopoulos does not have direct
responsibility for U.S.-EU MLAT, TIP and IPR-related matters,
he meets regularly with Romilos Kedikoglu, chief justice of
the civil and penal court system. Panagiotopoulos' comments
on the need for judicial training highlight the GoG's
problems with IPR enforcement. The Embassy has given specific
policy recommendations to the GoG on improving its IPR
standing, but increased judicial enforcement is still needed.
Likewise, G/TIP Ambassador Lagon, Ambassador Speckhard, and
Embassy and Department officials have shared with the Greeks
specific steps they need to take to address TIP more
effectively; these recommendations have included steps for
the judiciary to take. Panagiotopoulos' report to the
Ministry of Justice could help us press the Greek government
from yet another angle. We will continue to pursue a
multi-pronged approach in advocating our agenda on MLA, TIP,
and IPR issues. END COMMENT.


8. (C) BIO NOTES: President Panagiotopoulos prefers to
speak in Greek, and his English is basic and heavily
accented. His English comprehension is good, however, and he
readily understood legal terms such as "intellectual property
rights." His visit to the U.S. will be his first; he
mentioned having wanted to study in the U.S. as a student.
Panagiotopoulos was a calm and measured interlocutor
throughout the meeting.
SPECKHARD