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08ATHENS1027
2008-07-18 14:49:00
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Embassy Athens
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GREECE/MACEDONIA: KARAMANLIS RESPONDS TO GRUEVSKI

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/17/2018
TAGS: PREL PGOV NATO MK GR
SUBJECT: GREECE/MACEDONIA: KARAMANLIS RESPONDS TO GRUEVSKI
LETTER ON MINORITIES

REF: A. ATHENS 1009

B. SKOPJE 461

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Classified By: Ambassador Daniel V. Speckhard for 1.4 (b) and (d)

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DEPT ALSO FOR EUR/SE

E.O. 12958: DECL: 07/17/2018
TAGS: PREL PGOV NATO MK GR
SUBJECT: GREECE/MACEDONIA: KARAMANLIS RESPONDS TO GRUEVSKI
LETTER ON MINORITIES

REF: A. ATHENS 1009

B. SKOPJE 461

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Classified By: Ambassador Daniel V. Speckhard for 1.4 (b) and (d)


1. (U) Greek Prime Minister Karamanlis has responded in a
July 18 public letter (full text in para 4) to the July 14
letter from Macedonian Prime Minister Gruevski (ref A) in
which Gruevski asks that Greece address issues related to
property restitution and citizenship of ethnic Macedonians
who left Greece following the Second World War and that
Greece recognize the Macedonian minority in Greece. Key
points in the Karamanlis letter are:

-- Greece is committed to reaching a solution to the name
issue, and "regrets" the fact that the Gruevski letter was
sent "at this critical moment in the negotiating effort;"

-- The Gruevski letter raises "non-existent and
unsubstantiated issues" that "aim at interfering in the
domestic affairs of a neighboring state" and "deviate from
the objectives of the ongoing negotiations."

-- There is "no 'Macedonian' minority in Greece," and
allegations that one exists "are totally unfounded,
politically motivated, and disrespectful of . . . historic
realities."

-- As to property issues, individuals should pursue such
claims through the judicial process.

-- Karamanlis also closes with a zinger: that history judges
leaders by how the "rise to the challenge and assume their
responsibilities" and "much will depend" on Gruevski's
"positive attitude and constructive spirit."

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COMMENT: WHY THE FUSS?
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2. (C) Karamanlis, reply is indicative of Greek views of
the name issue itself and the extreme irritation in the
government and among the Greek population that PM Gruevski
has raised one of Greece's most sensitive issues -- minority
issues in Greece -- in the context of the name negotiations.
Although Karamanlis likely feels strongly about these issues
on a personal basis (hailing from Greek Macedonia),his
letter is also reflective of deep Greek societal attitudes
about both issues. Greek unwillingness to acknowledge any

minority in Greece other than the "Muslim Minority," as
defined by the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, is reflective of
long-term Greek concern about irredentism from various other
populations who have -- in the past -- held or sought to hold
territory that forms part of modern Greece. Modern Greece
consolidated its final borders after the Second World War;
immediately after, Greece fought a civil war in which certain
elements supported annexation of parts of Northern Greece
(parts of "Greek Macedonia") to part of Tito's Yugoslavia or
a puppet state controlled by Yugoslavia. From a Greek
perspective, parts of the outer ring of today's Greece is
still subject to irredentist claims. Therefore, most Greeks
do not believe that they can take their current territory for
granted, and they see ethnic identifications as a potential
"5th column" which could make irredentist claims in the
future.


3. (C) Our Greek interlocutors are also deeply suspicious
about the timing of PM Gruevski's letter. Per ref B, Embassy
Skopje reports that PM Gruevski was discomfited that
peripheral issues favorable to Greece had emerged in the
various ideas being floated by UN envoy Nimetz, and that he
chose to respond by raising these issues. Some Greek
interlocutors appear to believe that Gruevski wanted to
create a dynamic where Greece could not make compromises
leading the international community to blame Greece for
failed negotiations. Regardless of perceived motivation,
Gruevski's letter has had the effect of Greece digging in on
minority issues in a public and definitive way, and it has
caused Athens to question further Gruevski as a negotiating
partner. SEPTEL will provide our thoughts on where the
Greeks are in the name negotiations and how we might foster
progress. End Comment.

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TEXT OF PM KARAMANLIS' LETTER
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4. (U) BEGIN TEXT

Mr. Prime Minister,

As you are aware for the last fifteen years Greece and your
country, pursuant to the relevant decisions of the UN
Security Council, have committed themselves to negotiations
in the framework of the United Nations regarding the name
issue which "needs to be resolved in the interest of the
maintenance of peaceful and good neighbourly relations in the
region" as stipulated by the Security Council in Resolution
817
to the promotion of friendly and good relations with all its
neighbouring countries, especially with the countries of the
Western Balkans, and the creation of the necessary conditions
that will allow them to join, in the near future, the
Euro-Atlantic and European families.

Greece, since 1993 has demonstrated good will, under the
auspices of the U.N., to find a mutually acceptable solution
on the name issue, which would take into consideration the
legitimate interests and sensitivities of both our countries.
This is within the mandate of the relevant U.N. Security
Council Resolutions, but also the wish of all countries
participating in the Euro-atlantic and European institutions
as was also unequivocally stated in the Bucharest NATO Summit
and in the EU European Council in Brussels respectively.

Mr. Prime Minister, your letter far from promoting the
negotiations and the good neighbourly relations with my
country raises a number of non-existent and unsubstantiated
issues that militate against the strenuous efforts made by
Greece. It also aims at interfering in the domestic affairs
of a neighbouring state and deviates from the objectives of
the ongoing negotiations.

There is no "Macedonian" minority in Greece. There never has
been. In this respect, any allegations regarding the
existence of such a minority are totally unfounded,
politically motivated and disrespectful of the historic
realities of the Region. As for any properties issue, any
individual could make use of any legal recourse before the
Courts, including the European Court of Human Rights in
Strasbourg.

Mr. Prime Minister,

Times have changed. I am convinced that the future of the
Balkan countries lies within the European and Euroatlantic
institutions and not in natonalist formulas of a bygone era
which must b left behind once and for all. Greece remains
firmly committed to working towards that goa.

History judges leaders by how they rise to he challenge and
assume their responsibilities. Much will depend on your
positive attitude and constructive spirit.

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SPECKHARD