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07TELAVIV2800
2007-09-19 12:20:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Tel Aviv
Cable title:  

GOI POSITIVE FOLLOWING SEPTEMBER 3 TALKS WITH

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 08/17/2017
TAGS: PREL PGOV KIRF VT IS
SUBJECT: GOI POSITIVE FOLLOWING SEPTEMBER 3 TALKS WITH
VATICAN

REF: A. TEL AVIV 2576 AND PREVIOUS

B. VATICAN 106 AND PREVIOUS

C. JERUSALEM 1491 AND PREVIOUS

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Classified By: Political Counselor Marc Sievers for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d)

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 TEL AVIV 002800

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 08/17/2017
TAGS: PREL PGOV KIRF VT IS
SUBJECT: GOI POSITIVE FOLLOWING SEPTEMBER 3 TALKS WITH
VATICAN

REF: A. TEL AVIV 2576 AND PREVIOUS

B. VATICAN 106 AND PREVIOUS

C. JERUSALEM 1491 AND PREVIOUS

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Classified By: Political Counselor Marc Sievers for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d)


1. (C) SUMMARY. GOI officials described the latest
(September 3) round of negotiations with the Vatican on
outstanding issues as "positive." GOI negotiator Shmuel
Ben-Shmuel said the sides were "on the verge of a major
breakthrough," and noted that the GOI tabled a new proposal
on the taxation issue that would grant the Roman Catholic
Church the same privileges as other "Most Favored
Organizations" (text para 6). Ben-Shmuel stressed that the
taxation issue was complex and said the GOI still needed time
to ensure that any agreement reached with the Vatican does
not open the door to similar demands for preferential
treatment from other religious institutions. A senior
official in President Peres' office noted that Peres and Pope
Benedict XVI "exchanged positive remarks" about the issue
during their September 6 meeting in Rome. END SUMMARY.

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"Most Favored Organization" Status
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2. (C) Poloff met September 6 with MFA Bureau of World Jewish
and Inter-Religious Affairs Head Shmuel Ben-Shmuel and MFA
Director for Religious Affairs Bahij Mansour to discuss the
results of the September 3 negotiations with Vatican
representatives over outstanding economic issues related to
the Fundamental Agreement between Israel and the Holy See.
Ben-Shmuel and Mansour described the talks as "positive," and
said they were "on the verge of a major breakthrough" on the
taxation issue. Ben-Shmuel said the Israelis had tabled
language (text para 6) that would treat the Roman Catholic
Church as a "Most Favored Organization" -- meaning that for
tax purposes, Vatican properties and operations in Israel
would be treated like hospitals and other public or
not-for-profit organizations involved in social welfare.
Ben-Shmuel and Mansour were hopeful that the new GOI proposal
would illuminate a path forward on the taxation issue.


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GOI Frustrated with Vatican Impatience
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3. (C) Ben-Shmuel and Mansour also underscored the need for
patience and creativity on the Vatican side. Reacting
defensively to Vatican perceptions that the Israelis were
dragging their feet in the talks, Ben-Shmuel argued that the
Vatican failed to understand the complexity of the taxation
issue for the Israelis. Not only did the GOI need to find a
legal way to provide the Vatican with substantial tax
exemptions, but it needed to do so in a manner that avoids
creating a precedent for other religious institutions. He
argued that if the GOI is not careful, it could end up in the
untenable situation of having to provide similar privileges
even to the many major Jewish institutions active in Israel.
Ben-Shmuel said that the GOI's negotiating efforts were
further complicated by the need to achieve inter-ministerial
agreement on any deal reached with the Vatican. Mansour also
highlighted the need to ensure that any agreement is able to
pass the Knesset, which will have the final say when it is
eventually called upon to enact enabling legislation.


4. (C) Poloff underscored USG interest in achieving a durable
and mutually acceptable agreement between Israel and the
Vatican, and urged the Israelis to continue their good-faith
efforts to see the process through. Ben-Shmuel and Mansour
said the GOI remained committed to the negotiations and was
confident the sides would eventually reach agreement. They
pointed out that they were already preparing for the next
negotiating session on November 7, which would help pave the
way for the planned December plenary.

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Peres and Pope "Exchange Positive Remarks"
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5. (C) During a follow-up conversation September 11,
Presidential Foreign Policy Advisor Orry Ben-Porath told
Poloff that President Shimon Peres and Pope Benedict XVI only
discussed the issue in passing during their September 6
meeting in Rome. According to Ben-Porath, the two "exchanged
positive remarks" on the negotiation process, but avoided any
further discussion.

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Text of GOI's September 3 Taxation Proposal
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6. (C) BEGIN TEXT OF GOI PROPOSAL (passed confidentially;
please protect):

Ad Referendum
Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.


ARTICLE 8
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1. ELPs (Ecclesiastical Legal Person) shall enjoy, with
regard to taxation, the most favorable rights and exemptions
accorded by Israeli Law to any other similar "Public
Institutions" and "Not for Profit Institutions."

For the purpose of this Article the term "most favorable
rights and exemptions" shall mean rights and exemptions no
less favorable than those accorded by Israeli Law to any
other similar "Public Institutions" and "Not for Profit
Institutions."


2. For the purpose of this agreement the term "taxation"
means: any requirement to make any kind or sort of compulsory
payment to the State.

For the purpose of this Article, it is hereby clarified that
the term "State" does not include municipal, regional or
local authorities.


3. The other matters on which the parties have agreed in
relations to taxation are set forth in Schedule II.


ARTICLE 7
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will be deleted.


SCHEDULE II:
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No. 11: will be deleted.

No. 14: ELPs are subject to Employers' taxation at the most
favorable rate applied to similar "public institutions and
"not for profit institutions" under Israeli law.

No. 24: will be deleted.


END TEXT OF GOI PROPOSAL


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