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Created
Classification
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07TBILISI2304
2007-09-12 12:51:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Tbilisi
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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 TBILISI 002304
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/CARC
E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/10/2017
TAGS: PGOV GG
SUBJECT: CONVERSATION WITH SALOME ZOURABICHVILI
Classified By: Ambassador John F. Tefft for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d).
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 TBILISI 002304
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/CARC
E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/10/2017
TAGS: PGOV GG
SUBJECT: CONVERSATION WITH SALOME ZOURABICHVILI
Classified By: Ambassador John F. Tefft for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d).
1. (C) Summary: On September 6, former Foreign Minister and
hopeful presidential candidate, Salome Zourabichvili, met
Ambassador. Zourabichvili has been conducting research in
the regions and meeting with other opposition members, but
not campaigning. She said a strong, coherent opposition is
critical to ensure Georgia's continuing political
development. She said neither Okruashvili's nascent
presidential campaign nor lowering the party list threshold
is as important as creating a real opposition to balance the
current government's power. She sees this as the
opposition's primary responsibility, and hers, for the coming
election. She thinks President Saakashvili is unbeatable in
2008, barring a major event. Zourabichvili believes Russia
will continue its aggression against Georgia and remain
dangerous throughout the coming year. She said that
Georgians want a "miracle" in South Ossetia, but not war.
Zourabichvili was skeptical about the economic situation for
the middle and lower classes, and she said that the judicial
system remains "a travesty." End Summary.
--------------
Not Me, But We - The Opposition,
and Where's Okruashvili?
--------------
2. (C) On September 6, former Foreign Minister, Salome
Zourabichvili, called on Ambassador. The possible
presidential candidate stated she has indeed been visiting
the regions, but not campaigning. Zourabichvili stressed
throughout the conversation her deep concern about the state
of Georgia's opposition. Her goal is to create a coalition
government among the opposition parties which can result in a
majority in Parliament. At a minimum, she wants to build a
strong enough minority to serve as a check on the president
and ruling National Movement (UNM). Her cooperation program
is 60 percent complete. Zourabichvili stated that "the
threshold does not matter to me all." (The voter threshold
requirement for party-list representation in Parliament will
likely drop from 7 to 5 percent.) She said a lower threshold
could equal some money and MP seats, but not a real
opposition. She is trying to focus on issues and avoid the
personality politics which have plagued Georgia for years.
To date, other parties have not yet agreed to cooperate. She
is also seeking a forum to discuss energy issues and the
economy.
3. (C) Zourabichvili said that Irakli Okruashvili has already
lined up 5 to 6 UNM Parliamentarians, to join his
presidential candidacy. They are unlikely to survive the
drop in MP seats from 235 to 150 next year within the UNM.
She believes that Okruashvili's candidacy has "muddied the
cooperation among the opposition. It is unclear what he is
doing." She addressed Okruashvili's age (he turns 35 and
becomes eligible to run for President only on November 6,
2008, and the election date is not yet set),and said it
would be unfair if he can run but not she. Zourabichvili is
a Georgian national, but does not meet the Constitutional
requirement of having lived in Georgia for the past 15 years.
She said this Constitutional requirement is incongruous with
the law, and her court case to determine her eligibility is
pending. Zourabichvili said President Saakashvili "can't be
beat unless something big happens" between now and
next-year's elections. Thus, the opposition is critical and
that they must convince the public to vote.
--------------
South Ossetia and Russia
--------------
4. (C) Zourabichvili said that Saakashvili is self-driven
regarding South Ossetia and its reintegration. She thought
it unlikely that Okruashvili could exert more pressure on the
President regarding this issue. As Saakashvili's and the
UNM's popularity has slid somewhat in the past year,
Zourabichvili said that making noise about South Ossetia
gives the impression they are making progress. She said that
the public "wants a miracle in South Ossetia, not a war.
Military action will only be supported if it's fast and
overwhelmingly successful."
5. (C) Despite her earlier public statements, which
questioned the veracity of the government's version of the
August 6 missile incident near Gori, Zourabichvili agreed
that Russia had violated Georgia's border. Still, she did
not entirely trust Minister of Internal Affairs Merabishvili.
She said "this will be a dangerous year" regarding Russia.
She stressed that Georgia needs the EU and not the OSCE to
help counter Russia's aggression, as Russia can block OSCE
TBILISI 00002304 002 OF 002
efforts. She noted that blasting the UN, as President
Saakashvili had recently done, does not help. A lower tone
and EU support are critical for Georgia in Europe.
--------------
The Economy, and Judicial Woes
--------------
6. (C) On the economic situation, Zourabichvili agreed that
there has been significant foreign investment, but that it
has not yet benefited the middle or lower classes of Georgia.
She said that many of the 40-somethings she has spoken to
have said they will leave if there is no improvement after
the next elections. She asked the Ambassador where the new
jobs are that are being reported. She noted that "private
property is a big problem. People need more ownership of the
country." She also expressed concern about the recent lease
of the railroad infrastructure by the government to a shadowy
British business. She fears the Azeris may now control the
railroad as well as the new oil terminal at Kulevi.
7. (C) "The judicial system is a travesty," said
Zourabichvili. She stated that the many recent reforms on
paper are not working in reality. She agreed that the
judiciary must win people's confidence. On recent evictions
by the government due to expired leases, she stated that the
leases in question were not to expire until the end of
October. Therefore, the government did have time to give
notice to tenants; it chose not to do so.
--------------
Comment
--------------
8. (C) Zourabichvili was emphatic in her desire to strengthen
the opposition. That will require her to win the trust and
cooperation of the other parties if she expects to be a
leader of an effective opposition.
TEFFT
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
DEPARTMENT FOR EUR/CARC
E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/10/2017
TAGS: PGOV GG
SUBJECT: CONVERSATION WITH SALOME ZOURABICHVILI
Classified By: Ambassador John F. Tefft for reasons 1.4 (b) and
(d).
1. (C) Summary: On September 6, former Foreign Minister and
hopeful presidential candidate, Salome Zourabichvili, met
Ambassador. Zourabichvili has been conducting research in
the regions and meeting with other opposition members, but
not campaigning. She said a strong, coherent opposition is
critical to ensure Georgia's continuing political
development. She said neither Okruashvili's nascent
presidential campaign nor lowering the party list threshold
is as important as creating a real opposition to balance the
current government's power. She sees this as the
opposition's primary responsibility, and hers, for the coming
election. She thinks President Saakashvili is unbeatable in
2008, barring a major event. Zourabichvili believes Russia
will continue its aggression against Georgia and remain
dangerous throughout the coming year. She said that
Georgians want a "miracle" in South Ossetia, but not war.
Zourabichvili was skeptical about the economic situation for
the middle and lower classes, and she said that the judicial
system remains "a travesty." End Summary.
--------------
Not Me, But We - The Opposition,
and Where's Okruashvili?
--------------
2. (C) On September 6, former Foreign Minister, Salome
Zourabichvili, called on Ambassador. The possible
presidential candidate stated she has indeed been visiting
the regions, but not campaigning. Zourabichvili stressed
throughout the conversation her deep concern about the state
of Georgia's opposition. Her goal is to create a coalition
government among the opposition parties which can result in a
majority in Parliament. At a minimum, she wants to build a
strong enough minority to serve as a check on the president
and ruling National Movement (UNM). Her cooperation program
is 60 percent complete. Zourabichvili stated that "the
threshold does not matter to me all." (The voter threshold
requirement for party-list representation in Parliament will
likely drop from 7 to 5 percent.) She said a lower threshold
could equal some money and MP seats, but not a real
opposition. She is trying to focus on issues and avoid the
personality politics which have plagued Georgia for years.
To date, other parties have not yet agreed to cooperate. She
is also seeking a forum to discuss energy issues and the
economy.
3. (C) Zourabichvili said that Irakli Okruashvili has already
lined up 5 to 6 UNM Parliamentarians, to join his
presidential candidacy. They are unlikely to survive the
drop in MP seats from 235 to 150 next year within the UNM.
She believes that Okruashvili's candidacy has "muddied the
cooperation among the opposition. It is unclear what he is
doing." She addressed Okruashvili's age (he turns 35 and
becomes eligible to run for President only on November 6,
2008, and the election date is not yet set),and said it
would be unfair if he can run but not she. Zourabichvili is
a Georgian national, but does not meet the Constitutional
requirement of having lived in Georgia for the past 15 years.
She said this Constitutional requirement is incongruous with
the law, and her court case to determine her eligibility is
pending. Zourabichvili said President Saakashvili "can't be
beat unless something big happens" between now and
next-year's elections. Thus, the opposition is critical and
that they must convince the public to vote.
--------------
South Ossetia and Russia
--------------
4. (C) Zourabichvili said that Saakashvili is self-driven
regarding South Ossetia and its reintegration. She thought
it unlikely that Okruashvili could exert more pressure on the
President regarding this issue. As Saakashvili's and the
UNM's popularity has slid somewhat in the past year,
Zourabichvili said that making noise about South Ossetia
gives the impression they are making progress. She said that
the public "wants a miracle in South Ossetia, not a war.
Military action will only be supported if it's fast and
overwhelmingly successful."
5. (C) Despite her earlier public statements, which
questioned the veracity of the government's version of the
August 6 missile incident near Gori, Zourabichvili agreed
that Russia had violated Georgia's border. Still, she did
not entirely trust Minister of Internal Affairs Merabishvili.
She said "this will be a dangerous year" regarding Russia.
She stressed that Georgia needs the EU and not the OSCE to
help counter Russia's aggression, as Russia can block OSCE
TBILISI 00002304 002 OF 002
efforts. She noted that blasting the UN, as President
Saakashvili had recently done, does not help. A lower tone
and EU support are critical for Georgia in Europe.
--------------
The Economy, and Judicial Woes
--------------
6. (C) On the economic situation, Zourabichvili agreed that
there has been significant foreign investment, but that it
has not yet benefited the middle or lower classes of Georgia.
She said that many of the 40-somethings she has spoken to
have said they will leave if there is no improvement after
the next elections. She asked the Ambassador where the new
jobs are that are being reported. She noted that "private
property is a big problem. People need more ownership of the
country." She also expressed concern about the recent lease
of the railroad infrastructure by the government to a shadowy
British business. She fears the Azeris may now control the
railroad as well as the new oil terminal at Kulevi.
7. (C) "The judicial system is a travesty," said
Zourabichvili. She stated that the many recent reforms on
paper are not working in reality. She agreed that the
judiciary must win people's confidence. On recent evictions
by the government due to expired leases, she stated that the
leases in question were not to expire until the end of
October. Therefore, the government did have time to give
notice to tenants; it chose not to do so.
--------------
Comment
--------------
8. (C) Zourabichvili was emphatic in her desire to strengthen
the opposition. That will require her to win the trust and
cooperation of the other parties if she expects to be a
leader of an effective opposition.
TEFFT