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07RIYADH228
2007-02-04 13:25:00
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Embassy Riyadh
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HUMAN DEVELOPMENT WORKING GROUP VISITS KING

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SUBJECT: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT WORKING GROUP VISITS KING
ABDULAZIZ CENTER FOR NATIONAL DIALOGUE

Classified By: Deputy Chief of Mission Michael Gfoeller
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 02/04/2017
TAGS: PGOV PHUM PREL PINR KDEM SA
SUBJECT: HUMAN DEVELOPMENT WORKING GROUP VISITS KING
ABDULAZIZ CENTER FOR NATIONAL DIALOGUE

Classified By: Deputy Chief of Mission Michael Gfoeller
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).


1. (C) SUMMARY. The U.S. delegation to the U.S. - Saudi
Arabia Strategic Dialogue's Human Development Working Group
(HDWG),led by Deputy Assistant Secretary (DAS),Near East
Affairs (NEA),Scott Carpenter, met with representatives of
the King Abdulaziz Center for National Dialogue on December
4, 2006. Secretary General Faisal bin Abdul Rahman bin
Muaammar emphasized that the goal of the National Dialogue is
to increase public participation on issues of national
importance while combating extremism. There have been six
National Dialogues to date, with the most recent on
educational reform. This Dialogue was conducted in all 13
provinces with 800 - 1,000 participants in each region
representing a range of views. Faisal pointed out that
several ministries are working to expand participation in the
National Dialogue process, but it is still unclear how the
results of the Dialogue fit with national policy. Another
Dialogue representative insisted that Islamic principles need
to be protected from personal interpretations by teachers who
then pass these philosophies to students. He claimed that
extremism has "different roots," mentioning specifically both
Palestine and Iraq. Faisal stated that priorities sometimes
conflict. "We want safety and economic prosperity," he said,
"and you want democracy." He pointed out that the "best
ambassadors" are those Saudis who studied in the U.S. END
SUMMARY.


2. (C) The U.S. delegation to the U.S. - Saudi Arabia
Strategic Dialogue's Human Development Working Group (HDWG),
led by Deputy Assistant Secretary (DAS),Near East Affairs
(NEA),Scott Carpenter, met with representatives of the King
Abdulaziz Center National Dialogue on December 4, 2006.
Secretary General Faisal bin Abdul Rahman bin Muaammar led

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the discussion, noting that the Center was established in
2003 to encourage dialogue on the range of issues and to
facilitate national unity. He emphasized that the goal of
the National Dialogue is to increase public participation on
issues of national importance while combating extremism --
all in the context of Islam. There have been six National
Dialogues to date, with the most recent having just
concluded. The Dialogues have focused on a number of themes,
including national unity and the role of scholars, extremism,
women in Saudi society, youth issues, the national viewpoint
for dealing with world cultures ("We and the Others"),and
educational reform.


3. (C) Faisal explained that the most recent Dialogue on
educational reform was conducted in all 13 provinces with 800
- 1,000 participants in each region representing a range of
views. He pointed out that several ministries are working to
expand participation in the National Dialogue, including the
Ministry of Islamic Affairs, which reaches out to the imams,
and the Ministry of Culture and Information, which has a
project to "spread the culture of dialogue" through the mass
media. He emphasized that the King is very receptive to
broad participation in the Dialogue -- expecting both men and
women to play a role. "We need to solve our problems,"
emphasized Faisal, "not just discuss them."


4. (C) Insisting that the Saudis suffer from terrorism "every
single day," Faisal complained "our reputation has been
hijacked by 'some' people." He insisted that the "silent
majority" is moderate in nature and that the Dialogue
represents popular opinion. However, he noted, there are
those who feel that their "words did not get out of the
room." He described the Dialogue as an effort to bridge the
gaps that exist within Saudi society, explaining that "the
word does not get out" because it is still unclear how the
results of the Dialogue fit with national policy.


5. (C) Faisal stated that results of the most recent Dialogue
on education will help Saudis meet the needs of the 21st
century. He described the Dialogue's preliminary findings --
that the Saudi educational system currently has gaps in such
areas as the natural sciences and vocational training and
skills. The general level of education, he said, does not
correspond with the Kingdom's religious and economic stature.



6. (C) National Dialogue representative Fahd al Sultan
pointed out that policies, goals, and curricula are
especially important. He stated technical relationships are
being developed with other entities such as businesses and
schools. He also indicated that there were direct, televised
discussions among the ministries, students, and teachers in
order to facilitate a better mutual understanding of the

current situation. Faisal added that "change needs to be
from within."


7. (C) He continued that there needs to be sensitivity to the
fact that Saudi Arabia is an Islamic country and that the
principles of Islamic teachings are fundamental to Saudi
culture. However, he emphasized "we do not want personal
views here, " explaining that that Islamic principles need to
be protected from personal interpretations by teachers that
are then spread to the students. He claimed that extremism
has "different roots," mentioning specifically both Palestine
and Iraq. However, he agreed, "we have to look at the
whole." Ahmed Saifel Dain added that the problem is not the
curricula per se, rather recent events in Palestine, Iraq,
and Afghanistan -- and individuals' grievances with those
actions. He charged that U.S. efforts in Iraq "reawakened
extremism." Faisal stated that is a mistake to expand
democracy by force, suggesting that "democracy has been
bought by blood."

8.(C) DAS Carpenter noted that leadership is necessary for
effective dialogue, observing that media reporting on death
and destruction tends to eclipse the positive results of
efforts by such entities as the National Dialogue. Faisal
countered that the National Dialogue is impacting the news,
noting that priorities sometimes conflict. "We want safety
and economic prosperity," he stated, "and you want
democracy."


9. (C) In response to the question of how best to bridge
these gaps, Faisal said that the "best ambassadors" are those
individuals who studied in the U.S. Dain noted that, as the
"center of Arabism," change must come from within the
Kingdom. Faisal added that dialogue with Saudis needs to
expand beyond the "same faces, same people" who participate
in the various fora because they are not always necessarily
the people who "need it." He continued that many lost faith
in the U.S. as a result of "the total mess in Iraq," and
insisted that the U.S. needs an "image make-over."
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