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07OTTAWA2023
2007-11-02 19:17:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Ottawa
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CANADA: (5/5) 220TH MEETING OF THE U.S.-CANADA
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/02/2017
TAGS: PREL MARR MOPS NORAD CA
SUBJECT: CANADA: (5/5) 220TH MEETING OF THE U.S.-CANADA
PERMANENT JOINT BOARD ON DEFENSE - MILITARY COOPERATION,
MARINE SECURITY, EMERGING ISSUES
Classified By: PolMinCouns Scott Bellard, reasons: 1.4 (b) and (d)
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SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/02/2017
TAGS: PREL MARR MOPS NORAD CA
SUBJECT: CANADA: (5/5) 220TH MEETING OF THE U.S.-CANADA
PERMANENT JOINT BOARD ON DEFENSE - MILITARY COOPERATION,
MARINE SECURITY, EMERGING ISSUES
Classified By: PolMinCouns Scott Bellard, reasons: 1.4 (b) and (d)
1. (U) Summary. U.S. Co-Chairman George Nethercutt and
Canadian Co-Chairman Rick Casson, M.P. convened the 220th
meeting of the Permanent Joint Board on Defense (PJBD) at the
Canadian Maritime Warfare Center in Halifax, Nova Scotia
October 9 - 11, 2007. This is the fifth in a series of five
telegrams (septels). It documents the Board's deliberations
on the Military Cooperation Commission, Marine Security
Operations, Emerging Issues and New Challenges, and the
proposed location of the 221ST PJBD in spring 2008. End
Summary.
--------------
Military Cooperation Commission Update
--------------
2. (SBU) Military Cooperation Committee (MCC) Canadian
Co-Chair BG J.C. Collin delivered a brief update of progress
since the Committee's April 19 meeting in Halifax, where
members had discussed Canada's Maritime Security Framework,
the NORAD Maritime Warning Mission, U.S. Maritime Domain
Awareness (MDA) ConOps, the Vancouver Olympics, and the
Tri-Command study. Collin highlighted the challenges for
those charged with developing NORAD's Maritime Warning
Mission, noting that legislative constraints and
non-congruous systems were getting in the way of progress.
3. (SBU) The next MCC will occur in Washington, D.C. November
27-28. The agenda will likely include: lessons learned by
Canada Command and NORAD at the North American Leaders
Summit; an update on the Tri-Command Study; updating the 1968
CANUS Cross-Border Agreement; Canada-US Threat Assessment;
Vancouver 2010; and, Maritime Warning ConOps.
--------------
Marine Security Operations
--------------
4. (SBU) BG Collin briefed on Canadian Marine Security
Operations (MSOC),observing that, while Transport Canada had
the policy lead, DND was the operational leader for
coordinating responses to water-borne threats. He described
the MSOC ConOps as a work in progress that was under review
by staff lawyers but should go in effect in November 2007.
His team had worked hard to align authority to capacity while
dealing with cross-border legal challenges.
5. (SBU) MG Davis noted that many impediments to interagency
and cross-border cooperation remained and that the two
governments should set about fixing these things. DG
Sinclair asked where NORAD fit in to the MSOC. Collin
responded that a NORAD role was not included in the MSOC's
new ConOps.
6. (C) NORAD Deputy Commander LtGen Bouchard reviewed NORAD's
new role in the maritime domain, citing the need for
awareness to conduct the mission. Information-sharing is key
to success, he argued, particularly among law enforcement and
defense officials. Operators in the maritime domain need to
shift from a "need to know" standard to a "need to share"
standard, as we did in the aerospace domain after 9/11. As
distinctions between the aerospace and maritime spaces blur,
having two standards of information sharing makes our jobs
more difficult, he commented. Co-Chairman Casson opined that
Qmore difficult, he commented. Co-Chairman Casson opined that
this was an area requiring more work. Co-Chairman Nethercutt
agreed.
--------------
Emerging Issues and New Challenges
--------------
7. (C) Co-Chairman Rick Casson led off the final session by
asking whether it was time to revisit continental missile
defense. The PJBD was designed to be a place where both
Allies could take on sensitive subjects, he said, so perhaps
it should have the discussion here. Coast Guard RADM Lloyd,
Military Advisor to the DHS Secretary, agreed to the
desirability of tackling tough issues, and noted that one of
the PJBD's strengths is that it serves as a forum where
OTTAWA 00002023 002 OF 002
policy-makers can see issues coming and discuss and recommend
protocols and policies to deal with them. Referring to the
Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) reaffirmed by the
August 2007 North American Leaders Summit in Montebello,
Lloyd underlined the role that the PJBD could play to advance
a security agenda, such as the recent successful Ship Rider
joint operations in the St. Lawrence Seaway.
8. (SBU) Turning to meeting agendas, DG Sinclair suggested
that the PJBD consider having a core group of stake-holders
focus on agenda items earlier, and complete preparations
further in advance of board meetings. Co-Chair Nethercutt
agreed, and suggested that the PJBD find a way to engage
between meetings that would not be too onerous or
bureaucratic. In response to a suggestion that the PJBD
consider reducing attendance at the meetings, Chairman
Nethercutt observed that he was comfortable with the current
level of representation.
9. (C) Participants suggested numerous other agenda items,
some covering more traditional PJBD concerns:
-- ongoing missile defense discussions at NATO and what
implications they might have in the NORAD context.
-- defense and security in the Arctic;
-- changing nature of Russian foreign and defense policy and
its influence on North American security;
-- U.S.-Canada defense industrial base, and its engagement in
Latin America;
-- strategic communications on defense and security issues;
-- PJBD, its role in national decision-making processes, and
how its members can best use it to influence policy outcomes.
10. (C) Other suggestions included less traditional items:
-- the defense/security nexus in combating terrorism
emanating from the Middle East and South Asia, to include
Pakistan's FATA;
-- NATO's mission in Afghanistan and its importance to the
U.S. and Canada;
-- near-term prospects for peace in the Middle East;
-- briefing on U.S. AFRICOM, and Canada's 2008 Africa policy
review.
--------------
221st PJBD
--------------
11. (U) Co-Chairman Nethercutt noted that the U.S. would host
the 221st PJBD. The recommendation for a location was at the
Joint Interagency Task Force (JIATF) South facility in Key
West, Florida, to highlight both hemispheric cooperation and
the nexus between defense and security operations embodied in
JIATF South.
Visit our shared North American Partnership blog (Canada & Mexico) at
http://www.intelink.gov/communities/state/nap
WILKINS
SIPDIS
SIPDIS
E.O. 12958: DECL: 11/02/2017
TAGS: PREL MARR MOPS NORAD CA
SUBJECT: CANADA: (5/5) 220TH MEETING OF THE U.S.-CANADA
PERMANENT JOINT BOARD ON DEFENSE - MILITARY COOPERATION,
MARINE SECURITY, EMERGING ISSUES
Classified By: PolMinCouns Scott Bellard, reasons: 1.4 (b) and (d)
1. (U) Summary. U.S. Co-Chairman George Nethercutt and
Canadian Co-Chairman Rick Casson, M.P. convened the 220th
meeting of the Permanent Joint Board on Defense (PJBD) at the
Canadian Maritime Warfare Center in Halifax, Nova Scotia
October 9 - 11, 2007. This is the fifth in a series of five
telegrams (septels). It documents the Board's deliberations
on the Military Cooperation Commission, Marine Security
Operations, Emerging Issues and New Challenges, and the
proposed location of the 221ST PJBD in spring 2008. End
Summary.
--------------
Military Cooperation Commission Update
--------------
2. (SBU) Military Cooperation Committee (MCC) Canadian
Co-Chair BG J.C. Collin delivered a brief update of progress
since the Committee's April 19 meeting in Halifax, where
members had discussed Canada's Maritime Security Framework,
the NORAD Maritime Warning Mission, U.S. Maritime Domain
Awareness (MDA) ConOps, the Vancouver Olympics, and the
Tri-Command study. Collin highlighted the challenges for
those charged with developing NORAD's Maritime Warning
Mission, noting that legislative constraints and
non-congruous systems were getting in the way of progress.
3. (SBU) The next MCC will occur in Washington, D.C. November
27-28. The agenda will likely include: lessons learned by
Canada Command and NORAD at the North American Leaders
Summit; an update on the Tri-Command Study; updating the 1968
CANUS Cross-Border Agreement; Canada-US Threat Assessment;
Vancouver 2010; and, Maritime Warning ConOps.
--------------
Marine Security Operations
--------------
4. (SBU) BG Collin briefed on Canadian Marine Security
Operations (MSOC),observing that, while Transport Canada had
the policy lead, DND was the operational leader for
coordinating responses to water-borne threats. He described
the MSOC ConOps as a work in progress that was under review
by staff lawyers but should go in effect in November 2007.
His team had worked hard to align authority to capacity while
dealing with cross-border legal challenges.
5. (SBU) MG Davis noted that many impediments to interagency
and cross-border cooperation remained and that the two
governments should set about fixing these things. DG
Sinclair asked where NORAD fit in to the MSOC. Collin
responded that a NORAD role was not included in the MSOC's
new ConOps.
6. (C) NORAD Deputy Commander LtGen Bouchard reviewed NORAD's
new role in the maritime domain, citing the need for
awareness to conduct the mission. Information-sharing is key
to success, he argued, particularly among law enforcement and
defense officials. Operators in the maritime domain need to
shift from a "need to know" standard to a "need to share"
standard, as we did in the aerospace domain after 9/11. As
distinctions between the aerospace and maritime spaces blur,
having two standards of information sharing makes our jobs
more difficult, he commented. Co-Chairman Casson opined that
Qmore difficult, he commented. Co-Chairman Casson opined that
this was an area requiring more work. Co-Chairman Nethercutt
agreed.
--------------
Emerging Issues and New Challenges
--------------
7. (C) Co-Chairman Rick Casson led off the final session by
asking whether it was time to revisit continental missile
defense. The PJBD was designed to be a place where both
Allies could take on sensitive subjects, he said, so perhaps
it should have the discussion here. Coast Guard RADM Lloyd,
Military Advisor to the DHS Secretary, agreed to the
desirability of tackling tough issues, and noted that one of
the PJBD's strengths is that it serves as a forum where
OTTAWA 00002023 002 OF 002
policy-makers can see issues coming and discuss and recommend
protocols and policies to deal with them. Referring to the
Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) reaffirmed by the
August 2007 North American Leaders Summit in Montebello,
Lloyd underlined the role that the PJBD could play to advance
a security agenda, such as the recent successful Ship Rider
joint operations in the St. Lawrence Seaway.
8. (SBU) Turning to meeting agendas, DG Sinclair suggested
that the PJBD consider having a core group of stake-holders
focus on agenda items earlier, and complete preparations
further in advance of board meetings. Co-Chair Nethercutt
agreed, and suggested that the PJBD find a way to engage
between meetings that would not be too onerous or
bureaucratic. In response to a suggestion that the PJBD
consider reducing attendance at the meetings, Chairman
Nethercutt observed that he was comfortable with the current
level of representation.
9. (C) Participants suggested numerous other agenda items,
some covering more traditional PJBD concerns:
-- ongoing missile defense discussions at NATO and what
implications they might have in the NORAD context.
-- defense and security in the Arctic;
-- changing nature of Russian foreign and defense policy and
its influence on North American security;
-- U.S.-Canada defense industrial base, and its engagement in
Latin America;
-- strategic communications on defense and security issues;
-- PJBD, its role in national decision-making processes, and
how its members can best use it to influence policy outcomes.
10. (C) Other suggestions included less traditional items:
-- the defense/security nexus in combating terrorism
emanating from the Middle East and South Asia, to include
Pakistan's FATA;
-- NATO's mission in Afghanistan and its importance to the
U.S. and Canada;
-- near-term prospects for peace in the Middle East;
-- briefing on U.S. AFRICOM, and Canada's 2008 Africa policy
review.
--------------
221st PJBD
--------------
11. (U) Co-Chairman Nethercutt noted that the U.S. would host
the 221st PJBD. The recommendation for a location was at the
Joint Interagency Task Force (JIATF) South facility in Key
West, Florida, to highlight both hemispheric cooperation and
the nexus between defense and security operations embodied in
JIATF South.
Visit our shared North American Partnership blog (Canada & Mexico) at
http://www.intelink.gov/communities/state/nap
WILKINS