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07KAMPALA1426
2007-09-11 08:24:00
CONFIDENTIAL//NOFORN
Embassy Kampala
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SENATOR FEINGOLD RAISES REGIONAL AND DOMESTIC

Tags:  PHUM PREL PGOV UG SU 
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SUBJECT: SENATOR FEINGOLD RAISES REGIONAL AND DOMESTIC
ISSUES WITH UGANDAN PRESIDENT

REF: KAMPALA 1419

Classified By: P/E Chief Kathleen FitzGibbon for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d
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TAGS: PHUM PREL PGOV UG SU
SUBJECT: SENATOR FEINGOLD RAISES REGIONAL AND DOMESTIC
ISSUES WITH UGANDAN PRESIDENT

REF: KAMPALA 1419

Classified By: P/E Chief Kathleen FitzGibbon for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d
).


1. Summary: Senator Russell Feingold discussed Somalia, the
Lord's Resistance Army (LRA),Congo, the war on terror, and
the President's plans for the 2011 election with President
Yoweri Museveni on August 28. Museveni described potential
military action against the LRA in Congo as "easy" and did
not rule out running for a fourth term in 2011. End Summary.

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SOMALIA
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2. (C) Senator Russell Feingold, accompanied by staff
members Sarah Margon and Evan Gottesman, Ambassador Browning
and P/E Chief (notetaker) met with President Yoweri Museveni
on August 28. Feingold sought Museveni's views on what
Uganda hopes to accomplish in Somalia. Museveni said that
Uganda has three goals: the liberation of Somalia from the
Islamic Courts, the building of the pillars of state
authority, and the establishment of democracy. Museveni said
that now that the Islamic Courts were ousted, Uganda wanted
to help rebuild the army as a national institution and
respond to the humanitarian needs of Somalis.


3. (C) Regarding the third goal, Museveni said Uganda was
seeking a timetable for the transition. Museveni wanted
Uganda to act as an engine to relaunch the Somali state so
the transitional government could hand power to the people.
Unfortunately, Museveni said, Transitional Federal Government
(TFG) President Yusuf does not want to talk to some parts of
the opposition who were not in the clan structure.


4. (C) Museveni told Feingold that "this time, the U.S.
acted well in Somalia," America is unpopular in Somalia.
Museveni said that he discusses Somalia with Assistant
Secretary for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer. In his

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opinion, the Bush Administration took a stand against the
Islamic Courts and encouraged Ethiopia from behind-the-scenes
to act. Museveni said that the timing for this action was
right because if the Islamic Courts had taken Baidoa, then
the TFG would have fallen. Museveni described U.S. bombing

of suspected terrorists in Somalia as "irrelevant."


5. (C) Looking forward, Museveni outlined "mistakes
expected to come" in Somalia. A key concern for Uganda was
if those who want to talk, get left out of the process.
Second, Museveni was concerned that the army being built was
not national in character, which would create suspicions
among the population. Museveni argued that the way forward
on democracy was that it must be transparent or it would
fail. It would be critical for Yusuf to elaborate milestones
for the transition. The TFG must develop an ideology to
bring Somalis together as a nation. Without one, the task of
nation-building could fail, according to Museveni. Finally,
Museveni stated that the TFG must deliver infrastructure and
services to the population to demonstrate the benefits of the
new government.

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WAR ON TERROR
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6. (C) Feingold thanked Museveni for Uganda's help in the
global war on terror and asked what has been the impact of
U.S. involvement in Iraq. Museveni stated that he had
supported the U.S. military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan
because he thought these operations were in self-defense.
Afghanistan harbored Al Qaida and used it as a base to attack
the U.S. Uganda supported operations in Iraq because the
U.S. stated that Sadam Hussein had links with Al Qaida and
had weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Uganda was concerned
that its neighbor, Sudan, had ties to both Hussein and Osama
Bin Laden. Museveni said that Uganda was surprised to learn
that Saddam had neither WMD or links to Al Qaida. If Uganda
had known this, it would not have voted for the motion at the
U.N. on Iraq.


7. (C) Nonetheless, Museveni said Uganda would continue to
operate closely with the U.S. and described U.S. positions as
"more correct" than those of Europeans, which he described as
"too weak, almost criminal, and opportunistic." According to
Museveni, "the U.S. never obstructs our stand on Sudan."
Feingold agreed that there was a strong, bipartisan consensus
on a tough policy on Sudan.


8. (C) Museveni also said that democracy must come from

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within; it cannot be brought by invaders. He stated that the
U.S. mistakes on Iraq included bad intelligence and
misinformation; attempts to install democracy; lack of
credibility on issues related to WMD; poor optics of naming
an "Administrator for Iraq"; and the mishandling of the army.
Museveni said he told President Bush in December that he
wanted to meet with him confidentially to discuss Iraq and
encourage the U.S. to hold an American-African Summit,
similar to the one hosted by China.

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CONGO
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9. (C) Museveni told Feingold that he would be meeting
Congolese President Joseph Kabila in Tanzania to discuss
cross-border tensions, the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA),and
conflict in eastern Congo. (Note: The meeting took place on
September 7-8 in Arusha.) Museveni complained about
western-backed Mobutu, whom he described as a "clown" and
stated that Uganda worked against him because he sided with
the Rwandan genocidaires. Rwanda did not hold a national
reconciliation conference, which was a contributing factor to
the war in Congo. Museveni said that the Lusaka Accord was
well-thought out because it covered both internal and
regional dimensions of the conflict and contained provisions
about use of Congolese territory as a safe haven by rebel
groups. The reason for current tensions, according to
Museveni, was that the regional aspects of the treaty had not
been implemented.


10. (C) Museveni stated that Uganda's current border
"nonsense" with Congo could be easily diffused. The
Europeans demarcated the borders, which African leaders
accepted. The documents were available to resolve the
boundary dispute. In Museveni's view, integration could put
an end to border problems for good.


11. (C) Feingold asked Museveni about Uganda's options
should the peace talks fail. Museveni said he had advised
Kabila to allow Uganda to operate with the Congolese army or
find another partner, such as France, to take action against
the LRA. Museveni warned Kabila that Congo could become
known as "a terrorist holiday center" and that fortifying
Uganda's border with Congo could not be a long-term solution.


12. (C) Museveni said that the Juba negotiations could
succeed if there was military pressure on the "terrorists".
He said the LRA had not assembled as required and was using
Congo to roam at will. He accused the LRA of engaging in
smuggling and poaching at Garamba. On accountability,
Museveni said that "we agreed to alternative justice or a
soft landing" if the LRA agreed to peace. According to
Museveni, if the LRA accepted, the GOU could accept no/no
jail time for LRA leaders. (Note: The President's apparent
position is at odds with his negotiating team. End Note.).
Museveni said a military operation against the LRA would be
"easy" or "not hard."

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FOURTH TERM, CORRUPTION, HIV/AIDS
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13. (C) Feingold told Museveni that the U.S. was concerned
about corruption and asked how Uganda was addressing it.
Museveni said that the political will to fight corruption
existed, the legal framework was falling into place, and that
the institutional framework, primarily in the form of the
Inspector General of Government, as present in Uganda. He
hoped that the fourth component, human and technical
resources, could be provided by donors. Museveni said
Uganda's own surveys indicated that some progress was being
made on corruption. He dismissed Transparency International
rankings as "superficial."


14. (C) Feingold asked Museveni if he was planing to run
again, with respect to term limits. Museveni admitted that
he disagreed with Uganda's partners and Washington. Museveni
explained his "holistic" approach to leadership which
differed from "state leadership" perspectives. Museveni said
that for Uganda, leadership was tied to tasks that need to be
performed by the ruling National Resistance Movement (NRM),
such as liberation and establishment of state authority.
When the NRM determined the tasks were complete, then it
would be time to leave power. The tasks were not time
defined. Feingold pointed out that under such a system,
former U.S. President Bill Clinton could be running against
his wife. Museveni responded that U.S. history is different
from that of modernizing societies. The crucial factors for
democracy in Uganda were that people voted, elected officials

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at regular intervals, and competition was free. Other
issues, such as who stands for election were tactical in
nature. The President then cited Israel as an example where
the lack of term limits provided experienced leadership at
times of crisis.


15. (U) Feingold congratulated Museveni on Uganda's success
on HIV/AIDS, Museveni thanked Feingold, and said that he was
concerned that the infection rates were not dropping but
remaining stagnant. The President attributed this to
complacency and said a nationwide sensitization campaign was
needed to address the problem.

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COMMENT
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16. (C) Senator Feingold was able to cover a great deal of
ground on foreign policy issues with Museveni. A historian
by training, President Museveni explained the rationale
behind his positions on key issues, whether at odds with ours
or not, with examples to bolster his arguments. Museveni
expressed the same position on Iraq during the visit of
Deputy National Security Advisor McCormick on March 3.
Museveni's position on amnesty for the LRA if it accepts a
peace deal tracks has not changed over the course of the
peace process. His preferred option remains military action
against the LRA, but he continues to demonstrate restraint
while the peace process proceeds.


17. (U) Senator Feingold did not have an opportunity to
clear this message.
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