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07JEDDAH396
2007-09-13 12:35:00
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Consulate Jeddah
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SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER ON: AMCIT DEPENDENT, FUTURE

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/13/2017
TAGS: CVIS ETTC EFIN PGOV PREL PTER KIRF KTFN SA
SUBJECT: SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER ON: AMCIT DEPENDENT, FUTURE
MEETINGS, IRAN, DESIGNATION OF TERRORISM FINANCIERS, IRF
REPORT, SAUDI CHARITIES, DIPLOMATIC CONTAINERS, VISA
RECIPROCITY, THE PEACE PROCESS, AND IRAQ.

REF: REF: RIYADH 1903

Classified By: Consul General Tatiana C. Gfoeller for reasons 1.4 (b) a
nd (d) and 1.5 (b),(d) and (g).

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/13/2017
TAGS: CVIS ETTC EFIN PGOV PREL PTER KIRF KTFN SA
SUBJECT: SAUDI FOREIGN MINISTER ON: AMCIT DEPENDENT, FUTURE
MEETINGS, IRAN, DESIGNATION OF TERRORISM FINANCIERS, IRF
REPORT, SAUDI CHARITIES, DIPLOMATIC CONTAINERS, VISA
RECIPROCITY, THE PEACE PROCESS, AND IRAQ.

REF: REF: RIYADH 1903

Classified By: Consul General Tatiana C. Gfoeller for reasons 1.4 (b) a
nd (d) and 1.5 (b),(d) and (g).


1. (S/NF) SUMMARY. During a September 12 discussion with
Ambassador Ford Fraker and Jeddah Consul General Tatiana
Gfoeller, Foreign Minister Prince Saud al Faisal summarized
the SAG position on a variety of issues. The Prince stated
the importance of working in partnership with the U.S. to
address common concerns about Iran. He stressed the need for
proof from the USG for the Saudi government to take actions
against five individuals to be designated to the UN as
terrorism financiers. Prince Faisal informed the Ambassador
that the SAG welcomes members of the International Religious
Freedom office and Commission to return to Saudi. He assured
the Ambassador that the SAG would soon decide on the
composition of the Charities Commission, adding that while
the solution should prevent the disbursement of funds to
finance terrorism, the SAG believes receiving countries
should be accountable for the flow of funds as well. The
Prince explained that diplomatic containers are being held
due to issues with the Ministry of Finance, but that he would
make an effort to resolve problems. He was optimistic about
Saudi efforts to work towards visa reciprocity. Prince
Faisal stated that Saudi Arabia will participate in the
upcoming peace process meetings if topics it deems critical
for discussion are added to the agenda. He said that Saudi
Arabia's goals in Iraq are the same as the USG's: stability
and the well-being of its people. END SUMMARY.

AMCIT DEPENDENT



2. (C) Opening a meeting with Foreign Minister Prince Saud al
Faisal at the Jeddah Ministry of Foreign Affairs on September
12, Ambassador Ford Fraker thanked the Prince for his
assistance with an AmCit case involving a dependent. The
Prince responded that the USG and SAG share the view that
such cases represent humanitarian issues and that action to
address these cases should be in the best interest of the
dependent. He also stated his understanding that there are
relatively few such incidents affecting U.S./Saudi relations
compared with U.S. relations with other countries.

MEETINGS


3. (C) Jeddah Consul General Tatiana Gfoeller confirmed that
Prince Faisal is available and willing to meet the Secretary
on September 21, 22 or 23 in New York and to meet A/S Welch
at UNGA on September 23 between 10AM and 2PM.


4. (C) The Iraq Neighbors Group meeting was not scheduled
during October because Saudi Arabia could not attend during
the suggested dates. The Ambassador asked Prince Faisal if
Saudi Arabia will be able to attend a meeting of the group in
November in Istanbul, and requested specific dates.

IRAN


5. (S) The Ambassador stated that he wanted to ensure that
Saudi Arabia had the U.S. position on the proposed IAEA
Action Plan for Iran (on which he handed over a non-paper),
as the U.S. and Saudi Arabia share some of the same concerns.
Prince Faisal agreed that there are factors of concern to
everyone. He stated that the Iranians have troubles of their
own, noting that Rafsanjani, at the center of Iranian
politics, is one to watch. In agreement with the Ambassador
that the problems in Iran are very real, he predicted that
"something will have to give" in response to building
pressure. He stated that it is good for like minded
countries to work together on real issues, rather than
operating based on assumptions.

DESIGNATION OF TERRORISM FINANCIERS


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6. (S/NF) Presenting Prince Faisal with a non-paper from the
USG proposing the UN designation of five terror financiers,
the Ambassador formally provided the names of the
individuals. The Prince expressed his belief that the
actions of individual countries are more significant than
whether the UN places names on a list. He stressed that the
designation of the five individuals is a very controversial
religious issue among Saudi Arabians, as one of the five
pillars of Islam is zakat (charitable giving); without proof
that the named individuals committed acts leading to their
designation, the government will be unable to take actions
against them and the Saudi courts will not uphold the
designations. The Prince affirmed that he had seen all five
names previously.

IRF REPORT


7. (C) The Ambassador reminded Prince Faisal that the
International Religious Freedom Report will be issued and
made public September 13, available online September 15, and
available in Arabic translation one week later. The Prince
explained that the last time representatives from the
International Religious Freedom office and Commission were in
Saudi Arabia they were unable to meet with everyone and see
everything they wanted to, and in response the Saudi
government extended an invitation to them to return to meet
with additional people and visit more locations.

SAUDI CHARITIES


8. (S) The government of Saudi Arabia is considering either
central government control or a regulatory approach as
options for oversight of charities. In response to the
Ambassador's question about a timeline for a decision, Prince
Faisal stated that the government needs to further discuss
which option is more fitting for Saudi Arabia. He said that
in general the government prefers a central approach, but
acknowledged that a regulatory approach may be better. The
final solution would need to serve the purpose of ensuring
that no illegal funds are routed through charity
organizations. However, he also noted that it is the view of
the Saudi government that it should be the responsibility of
any receiving country to take measures to prevent the flow of
funds intended for use in terrorist activities, and assured
the Ambassador that Saudi Arabia will support such measures.
He told the Ambassador that the government would soon reach a
decision regarding a mechanism for oversight of charity
organizations.

DIPLOMATIC CONTAINERS


9. (C) Prince Faisal explained that problems associated with
the holding of diplomatic containers arise from a continuing
confrontation with the Minister of Finance, who oversees
customs. He promised that if the Ambassador provided specific
information regarding one particular diplomatic container
that is not being released, he would address the issue. The
Ambassador stated that the holding of diplomatic containers
is especially concerning due to issues of reciprocity between
the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. The Prince responded that the SAG
is attempting to streamline the process whereby customs
officials examine containers. He jokingly accused the U.S.
of causing the delays by providing the technology to view the
contents of containers.

VISA RECIPROCITY


10. (C) On September 11 the Saudi Cabinet of Ministers
authorized Prince Saud al Faisal to hold talks with the USG
to negotiate a reciprocal increase in non-immigrant visa
validity to five years (reftel). The Ambassador assured
Prince Faisal that he is working hard to advance the issue.
Prince Faisal stated that he believes there are two sides to
the issue of preventing terrorists from entering the U.S.:
visas and airport control. He also believes that this issue

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can be addressed simply and without humiliation to
passengers. He said that Saudi students want to go to the
U.S. to study, but once they arrive they often face many
problems and opt to transfer to schools outside of the U.S.;
therefore, the main issue is not the number of students that
go to the U.S. on visas, but the number that remain.


11. (C) Regarding policy, he expressed his belief that the
"devil often lies in the details"; he does not view the
general laws that policy makers want to create to protect the
U.S. as problems, but rather sees the details within the laws
as problematic to Saudis who wish to travel to the U.S. He
stressed the importance of having someone monitor the
inclusion of these details within more general laws. He
stated that the U.S. and Saudi Arabia have common interests,
and that issues can be resolved to reinforce security. He
does not think that existing U.S. regulations prevent
terrorists from entering the country, but in fact believes
that they provide a blueprint for terrorists to figure out
how, or how not, to enter. He volunteered that the Saudi
government can take steps within its own borders to vet
individuals before they apply for or receive visas. The
Ambassador again stressed to the Prince that he is making a
concerted effort to raise awareness about the issue of visa
reciprocity among policy makers in Washington, D.C.

THE PEACE PROCESS


12. (S) Prince Faisal described how he is constantly
questioned about what would need to happen for Saudi Arabia
to participate in the upcoming meeting on the peace process.
He explained that Saudi Arabia has said many times that if
critical substantive issues are not addressed at the meeting
there is no justification for attending. He said, for
example, that it makes no sense for Syria to negotiate issues
regarding Iraq, but not negotiate issues pertaining to Syria
(i.e., the Golan Heights). He argued that if the goal is to
find a solution, why create a situation in which a solution
cannot be reached? He stated that all help possible is
needed to move forward on the Peace Process. However, it is
necessary in his view to discuss borders, Jerusalem and other
contentious issues in order to move forward, and without a
discussion of these issues he believes it would be a waste of
time to meet.


13. (S) Prince Faisal stated that he met with Abu Mazen to
discuss unifying the position of the Palestinians. He
stressed the centrality of the Arab Peace Process and that
the Palestinians must come together to reach a resolution
about where they stand on it, or else there will be no
progress. However, he also expressed his belief that
division among Palestinians can be beneficial because it can
segregate the extremists.

IRAQ


14. (S) Prince Faisal stated that Saudi Arabia shares the
disappointment of the U.S. in the limited political successes
in Iraq. He believes that the only way out of the current
situation in Iraq is for the Shi'a to take responsibility for
drawing the Sunni population into reconciliation for the good
of the Iraqi people. It is his opinion that the USG should
urge the Shi'a to do this as a form of payback for having
been brought to power.


GFOELLER