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07BUDAPEST1774
2007-10-26 15:59:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Budapest
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PRECEDENTED VIOLENCE: DEMONSTRATIONS RETURN ...

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INFO RUEHZL/EUROPEAN POLITICAL COLLECTIVE
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 10/25/2017
TAGS: PGOV PREL KDEM ASEC
SUBJECT: PRECEDENTED VIOLENCE: DEMONSTRATIONS RETURN ...
BUT CHANGE LITTLE

REF: BUDAPEST 1756 AND PREVIOUS

Classified By: P/E COUNSELOR ERIC V. GAUDIOSI; REASONS 1.4 (B) AND (D)

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TAGS: PGOV PREL KDEM ASEC
SUBJECT: PRECEDENTED VIOLENCE: DEMONSTRATIONS RETURN ...
BUT CHANGE LITTLE

REF: BUDAPEST 1756 AND PREVIOUS

Classified By: P/E COUNSELOR ERIC V. GAUDIOSI; REASONS 1.4 (B) AND (D)


1. (C) Violence returned to the streets of Budapest as
intermittent clashes broke out between the authorities and
anti-government protestors October 22. The demonstrations
were far less serious in duration and intensity than the
protests of last fall and this spring ) due largely to a
combination of inclement weather, better preparation by the
authorities, and clear calls for restraint by the opposition.
Laszlo Torockai, leader of the "64 Counties Movement,"
remains in custody following his arrest on October 22. As
our contacts survey the landscape afterwards, there is a
sense across the spectrum that the demonstrations will not
change the political dynamic ( and that the political elite
cannot marshal the consensus to prevent further violence.

PUBLIC STATEMENTS


2. (C) Speaking at the Budapest Opera House on the evening
of October 22 as police blocked an attempt by anti-government
demonstrators to march toward the event, Prime Minister
Gyurcsany called on Hungarians to "dare to live in freedom,"
warning that "freedom and happiness are not gifts."


3. (C) Addressing a party rally on the afternoon of the
23rd, FIDESZ leader Viktor Orban denounced both the
government's policies and ) critically - the use of violence
in opposing them. Calling for the creation of a Hungary
which "opens doors to villagers and not just the children of
millionaires," he emphasized the importance of an alliance
between the middle class and the disadvantaged. Echoing
criticism of the police by President Solyom, Orban warned
that "police chiefs and politicians are wrong in thinking
they can escape retribution" for their actions. In sharp
criticism of "the East," Orban called for Hungary to "join
the 21st century" by rejecting "the industrial production of
lies, institutional corruption, mafia methods, and social
crisis." As a senior lay official of the Lutheran Church
told us afterwards, Orban's speech was "equal parts

anti-violence and anti-Russian."

(Note: Estimates of attendance at the rally vary widely, from
the police estimate of 30,000 to the party's claim of
250,000. Referring to the driving rain throughout his
speech, a tired but exuberant Orban joked afterwards that
"I've never addressed so many umbrellas in my life." End
note.)

PRIVATE REACTIONS


4. (C) Though he appeared drawn during official ceremonies
on October 23, when he was heckled by demonstrators calling
for his esignation, visitors who saw Gyurcsany on the 24th
describe him as energized, engaged, and undeterred. As
centrist political commentator Zoltan Kiszelly tells us,
"even the weakest Gyurcsany is stronger than the strongest
Medgyessey."


5. (C) MSzP MP Attila Mesterhazy, who worked for Gyurcsany
at the Ministry of Youth and Sport (and who has provided
testimony in the continuing "Zuschlag scandal"),tells us
that the party is circling the wagons (reftel). Looking back
on the past two days, Mesterhazy commented on October 24 that
"I'm sad it happened, glad it wasn't worse ( and convinced
that nothing has changed." He predicts that the party will
put aside its differences over the PM's anti-corruption
proposals (reftel) in the face of the challenge from FIDESZ.
"We always knew this year would be rough," he maintains, "but
the opposition must understand that we will dedicate
ourselves 150 percent to the government." "FIDESZ has fallen
in love with Orban," he concludes, "but the MSzP will fall in
line behind Gyurcsany."

SET CYCLE TO AGITATE


6. (C) Kiszelly, an advisor to the Hungarian Democratic
Forum, agrees that the demonstrations will have little
lasting impact on the political dynamic. He believes Hungary
has fallen into the cycle of "a permanent campaign," with the
parties using the upcoming referenda and the 2009 European
Parliament Elections as guideposts on the road to the 2010
national elections. "Gyurcsany has no time and Orban has no
patience," he concludes, "one must act and the other can't
wait." Each needs the other as an enemy, he believes, and he
sees the parties gradually questioning whether they need
either one.


7. (C) Leaders of Hungary's historic churches were similarly

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somber in discussing the situation October 24. They see the
government seriously hampered by public questions as to its
credibility and its legitimacy, and fear that there is no
national consensus to resist the deep divide in the political
debate and the decline in civil society.


8. (C) Comment: Arrests and injuries were relatively low,
and the authorities appear to have acted with professionalism
and restraint, including in the arrest of Toroczkai. This is
good news, as is the clear distinction the vast majority of
the demonstrators have made between their protests and the
small but visible minority of skinheads involved in the
violence. The bad news is that this violent element, though
small in number, demonstrated a new level of sophistication,
deploying Molotov cocktails and disabling a police water
cannon. The worse news is that every holiday for over a year
has seen serious clashes, and that Hungarians can no longer
use the phrase "unprecedented violence." If both sides
remain undeterred, so too do they appear unable to control
the prospect of continued violence in Hungarian politics.
End Comment.
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