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07BUDAPEST1059
2007-06-29 05:35:00
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Embassy Budapest
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ORBAN ON ORBAN: FIDESZ PRESIDENT ON THE OPPOSITION'S LEADERSHIP AND STRATEGY

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/26/2012
TAGS: PGOV KDEM PINRHU
SUBJECT: ORBAN ON ORBAN: FIDESZ PRESIDENT ON THE
OPPOSITION'S LEADERSHIP AND STRATEGY

REF: A) BUDAPEST 823 B) BUDAPEST 1043 AND PREVIOUS

Classified By: P/E Counselor Eric V. Gaudiosi: Reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 06/26/2012
TAGS: PGOV KDEM PINRHU
SUBJECT: ORBAN ON ORBAN: FIDESZ PRESIDENT ON THE
OPPOSITION'S LEADERSHIP AND STRATEGY

REF: A) BUDAPEST 823 B) BUDAPEST 1043 AND PREVIOUS

Classified By: P/E Counselor Eric V. Gaudiosi: Reasons 1.4 (b) and (d)


1. (C) Meeting with Ambassador Foley June 27 to discuss
energy security and the transatlantic relationship (septel),
FIDESZ president Viktor Orban also reviewed his plans to
"professionalize" the party leadership and his strategy for
the months - and years - ahead.

BUDAPEST UNDERGROUND


2. (C) A relaxed and often puckish Orban took "the
historical perspective" in reviewing FIDESZ's progress from
"underground youth movement" in the 80s to governing party in
the 90s. He admitted that FIDESZ had been "a better
government than a party," and believes that they have only
recently established a solid national foundation. He
contrasted FIDESZ's momentum with the MSZP's machine, which
traditionally "runs good campaigns" but has not modernized in
recent years. Nor can they do so now, he maintained, since
"you can't build support when everyone hates your policies."

"STRONG ENOUGH TO DELEGATE"?


3. (C) Looking back on the FIDESZ party elections (ref a),
Orban outlined the division of responsiblity within the party
leadership and emphasized that he is "strong enough to
delegate":

Mihalj Varga: An MP from Karcag and former Minister of
Economy, Varga has been designated as the party's senior VP
and Orban's deputy. The highest vote-getter among the
candidates, Varga is a moderate but seen as closer to Orban
than the other VPs. Orban commented that Varga will have
"all rights when I'm not available," quipping that "I'm not
old but you never know what will happen."

Lajos Kosa: Orban described the popular mayor of Debrecen
(and potential party rival) as "a free spirit ... but an
entertaining one." As "President of the Independent Republic
of Debrecen," Orban joked, Kosa has become indispensible.
Although he has asked Kosa to organize FIDESZ efforts to
bring local initiatives to national attention, he still
considers him "the enfant terrible of the party."

Ildiko Pelczne Gal: Also the president of the FIDESZ women's
organization, Gal is in charge of the party's "most energetic

activists." Orban noted, however, that the former professor
of economics tends to "focus on problems - not on the people
affected by problems." He made clear his preference for
"targeting the heart, not the head."

Zoltan Pokorni: Orban glossed over reported friction with
Pokorni (who often beats him in popularity polls),
emphasizing his desire to focus on his "enormous
responsibilities" as Mayor of Budapest's District XII and
noting that he is "in negotiation with him now" to lead
FIDESZ's preparations for the spring referendum (ref c). A
former teacher and not "a street fighter like me," Orban
believes Pokorni will be "perfect for the job" of building
support in civil society.

REFERENDUM: MORE THAN JUST QUESTIONS


4. (C) Focusing on the referendum (ref b),Orban commented
that it will be "about more than just the questions on the
ballot." FIDESZ will portray the referendum as a national
vote of confidence in PM Gyurcsany and as an opportunity to
respond to the "government campaign against society." Orban
hopes to collect over 2 million signatures - ten times the
required number to authorize the referendum and 25% of
Hungary's electorate. The signature drive, he continued,
will also help update the party's databases, further
"mobilizing" for the elections of 2010.


5. (C) Discussing demographics, Orban remarked half-jokingly
- but only half-jokingly - that "after 2014 we can't lose."
It is a "secret fact" of Hungarian politics, he continued,
that age is the overwhelming determinant in Hungarian voting
patterns. "FIDESZ has a huge advantage among the under-25
bloc," while the MSZP's base is "over-55." The Gyurcsany
government, he believes, has managed to outrage both groups
by proposing fees on tuition and on health care. The
challenge for FIDESZ, he concluded, is "not to rest on our
laurels" and to focus on "winning in 2010" rather than
"waiting for 2014."

GOVERNMENT-IN-WAITING ... AND WAITING


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6. (C) Toward that end, FIDESZ is making clear that it is
preparing to govern. Responding to our question re the
possibility of a shadow cabinet, Orban replied that it is
"obvious who's who" in the party. He detailed FIDESZ's
"cabinet-in-waiting" as consisting of Parliamentary Faction
Leader Tibor Navracsics as Cabinet Minister "no matter who
the Prime Minister is," MP Laszlo Kover as Director of the
Intelligence Services, former FM Janos Martonyi and
Parliamentary Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Zsolt Nemeth as
"in charge of foreign policy," and MP Miklos Matolcsi as
Minister of Economy. He also welcomed Zsigmond Jarai's
departure from the National Bank, commenting that he will now
be able to help FIDESZ restore its ties to the U.S. (septel).
Orban expressed concern, however, that any formal
declaration of a shadow cabinet - unprecedented in modern
Hungarian history - would focus "too much attention on our
programs rather than the government's."


7. (C) Comment: Orban is clearly thriving on the activity
surrounding the referendum. From his opening remark in the
Ambassador's office (pointing out the Soviet War Memorial
visible from the window and suggesting that "we call in some
Estonian know-how") to his parting comment (spreading his
arms at the door to the embassy's secure area and noting "no
cell phone, no boss: I'm a free man"),he was both engaged in
the details and aware of the big picture. Although he put
the best possible face on divergences of opinion within the
party, he has allowed other voices to emerge over the course
of the past year. He is aware of the need for FIDESZ to
become less of a resistance movement and more of a modern,
western party organized along more corporate lines. He is
also conscious of the need to repair his relationship with
the U.S. Though it may be a twelve-step program, he has at
least taken the first step by recognizing the problem. End
Comment.

FOLEY