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06VATICAN55
2006-03-30 12:42:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Vatican
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VATICAN MFA AND MARTINO: DIFFERENT TAKES ON CUBA

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/30/2031
TAGS: KIRF SOCI PHUM CU VT
SUBJECT: VATICAN MFA AND MARTINO: DIFFERENT TAKES ON CUBA

REF: A) VATICAN 50; B) HAVANA 4451

CLASSIFIED BY: Peter Martin, Pol/Econ Chief, Vatican, State.
REASON: 1.4 (b),(d)
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Summary
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C O N F I D E N T I A L VATICAN 000055

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DEPT FOR EUR/WE LARREA

E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/30/2031
TAGS: KIRF SOCI PHUM CU VT
SUBJECT: VATICAN MFA AND MARTINO: DIFFERENT TAKES ON CUBA

REF: A) VATICAN 50; B) HAVANA 4451

CLASSIFIED BY: Peter Martin, Pol/Econ Chief, Vatican, State.
REASON: 1.4 (b),(d)
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Summary
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1. (C) Holy See Country Director for Cuba Thevenin made it
clear in a recent conversation with us that the Vatican MFA
(Secretariat of State) did not share Cardinal Martino's views on
religious freedom in Cuba (ref a). He outlined the many ways in
which the Church's activities were curbed, from restrictions on
missionaries to the lack of Church publications in the country.
Thevenin agreed with ref (b) that talk of a papal trip to Cuba
was premature. In a previous conversation with the Ambassador
(ref a),Cardinal Francis George of Chicago emphasized that
Martino did not speak officially for the Holy See on Cuba and
said that Cardinal Ortega did not share Martino's "appreciation"
of Castro. Martino has the standing to make public statements
on issues he covers. However, when he runs afoul of the
Secretariat he creates problems. Only the pope could

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realistically stop Martino from sounding off - and he is
unlikely to do so. Martino will continue to speak his mind, and
confuse some observers as to the Holy See's official positions.
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No Change of Vatican Position
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2. (C) Holy See Country Director for Cuba Nicolas Thevenin was
careful in his phrasing, but made it clear March 28 that he and
others in the Vatican MFA (Secretariat of State) did not share
Cardinal Renato Martino's rosy view on religious freedom in Cuba
(ref a). He also said he had heard that some priests in Cuba
were not pleased with media reports of Martino's opinions.
Thevenin confirmed ref (a)'s conclusion that Martino's comments
did not reflect any change of the Holy See's position re U.S.
policy of Castro's treatment of the Church.

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RF Problems Persist
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3. (C) When asked about Martino's insistence that he could not
call the Cuban Church persecuted, Thevenin (who served most
recently at the papal nunciature in Havana) was firm. "It
depends what you mean. It's not China, but it's not free
either," he said. Thevenin went on to outline the many ways in
which the Church's activities were curbed, from restrictions on
missionaries to the lack of Church publications in the country.
"I would call it perhaps freedom of cult, but not freedom of
religion," Thevenin concluded. Thevenin agreed with ref (b)
that talk of a papal trip to Cuba was at the least premature.
"I can't rule anything out, but we've seen how they spin these
visits for their own uses," he said. "I can't imagine the pope
would go unless we saw a major change in the dynamic there."

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U.S. Cardinal Reacts
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4. (C) As noted in ref (a),Cardinal Francis George of Chicago
touched on Cuba with the Ambassador in a meeting on the margins
of the recent consistory, emphasizing that Martino did not speak
officially for the Holy See. George said that Cuban Cardinal
Jaime Ortega did not share Martino's "appreciation" of Castro.
According to George, Ortega will be speaking at a meeting of the
U.S. Bishops Conference this fall.

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Comment
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5. (C) As president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and
Peace, a consultative body for the pope and Secretariat, Martino
is entitled to make public statements on issues he covers.
However, when he runs afoul of the Secretariat -- the Holy See
lead on foreign policy issues - he creates problems. Only the
pope could realistically stop Martino from sounding off - and he
is unlikely to do so. Instead, Martino will continue to speak
his mind, and confuse some observers as to the Holy See's
official positions. As noted in ref (a),he is influential, and
a frequent Embassy interlocutor.

ROONEY