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2006-12-13 15:21:00
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APHSCT TOWNSEND'S NOVEMBER 15 MEETING WITH SAUDI

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SUBJECT: APHSCT TOWNSEND'S NOVEMBER 15 MEETING WITH SAUDI
KING ABDULLAH

Classified By: Ambassador James C. Oberwetter for reasons 1.5 (b) and (
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SUBJECT: APHSCT TOWNSEND'S NOVEMBER 15 MEETING WITH SAUDI
KING ABDULLAH

Classified By: Ambassador James C. Oberwetter for reasons 1.5 (b) and (
d).


1. (S/NF) Summary: In a meeting with Assistant to the
President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHSCT)
Frances Fragos Townsend at his farm outside Riyadh November
15, the King focused on the multiple threats from Iran. He
said he had sent strong messages to President Putin and
President Chirac about Iran. When Townsend noted that these
countries had commercial interests in Iran, the King said
"they have interests here as well." Speaking of the nuclear
threat, the King said only the US has the capability of
dealing with Iran, and that the President should take action
before the end of his Administration. On counterterrorism
cooperation, Prince Muhammad bin Nayef briefed on efforts to
stand up a Facilities Security Force. Townsend said the US
will cooperate and support KSA equipment and training
requirements. The King instructed Prince Muhammad to follow
up. Townsend raised the need to establish a Charities
Commission. When Prince Muhammad explained that it remained
tied up in the Legal Affairs Committee of the Council of
Ministers, Townsend urged action - this commission was
announced four years ago, and its absence has become an
issue, she said. The King in turn asked the US to be more
forthcoming in supporting an international counterterrorism
information center, expressing some displeasure with the idea
of a regional center in Bahrain. He concluded that friends
must talk to each other in this fashion. The dynamics of this
meeting were particularly relaxed and warm, reflecting APHSCT
Townsend's prior visits and meetings with the King.
End Summary.


2. (S/NF) APHSCT Townsend met the King at his estate
outside Riyadh where he honored her Saudi-style by seating
her next to himself at a large banquet. During the hour-long
dinner the King engaged Townsend in private discussion.
Following the dinner, the King, joined by Prince Muqrin,
Director of the General Intelligence Presidency, Prince
Muhammad bin Nayef, Assistant Minister of Interior for

security affairs, and Prince Badr, brother of the King and
Deputy Commander of the National Guard, moved with Townsend,
the Ambassador, and her delegation to a private room for a
foreign policy discussion. Advisor to the Royal Court Adel
Jubair served as the interpreter.


3. (S/NF) The King began the discussion by saying he hoped
POTUS would visit Saudi Arabia. The King then reflected on
his recent visit to Saudi Arabia's southern provinces of
Jizan, Abha, and Najran. He said he was pleased to meet all
the people and was thankful that they seemed content. The
new projects being launched will make them even happier, he
observed. The problem, he continued, is finding contractors
to implement all the planned infrastructure projects. A
large number of tenders don't get adequate bidders; with
little more than one month left in the fiscal year, many
funded projects have yet to be started. The King said he has
even asked the Chinese to provide contractors. He recalled
that in the 1980's Korean contractors did good work and
voiced that he should approach them as well. When he visited
Korea in 2003, the Korean President showed up skyscrapers in
Seoul and said "all these buildings are a consequence of
companies who have experience in your country." The Koreans
are the best of laborers, he concluded.


4. (S/NF) The King then asked Muhammad bin Nayef about the
status of new prison construction. Prince Muhammad reported
that five new prisons are being constructed - in Riyadh, the
East, Jeddah, Asir, and Qasim Provinces. "May God spare us
their evils," the King said. The King then motioned toward
Princes Muqrin and Muhammad, saying they are getting along
fine. He told Townsend that initially she had one friend -
Muhammad bin Nayef - but now she also has a friend in Prince
Muqrin.


5. (S/NF) Returning the conversation back to prisons, the
King said they need new facilities to handle the problems
emanating from Iraq. Townsend said we need enhanced police
and internal security force training in Iraq. The King said
he hoped Iraq would get the leadership it needed, but he
doubted it. Townsend replied that one of the major problems
in Iraq is efforts by certain neighbors to destabilize Iraq.
The King nodded, adding one word, "Iran." The King estimated
that four to five million Iranians had infiltrated into Iraq
over the years and suspected that there are some areas in
Iraq where Persians are posing as Iraqis. The King said the
US has a good ambassador in Iraq. He said he feels the same
about the US ambassador to Saudi Arabia.


6. (S/NF) Turning to foreign policy, the King said he has
sent a strong message to Russian President Putin and to "our

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friend" President Chirac on Iran. The King firmly said that
while those countries may have commercial interests in Iran,
they probably have greater commercial interests here in the
Gulf. The King stressed that Iran is currently the source of
all the problems in the region, from Syria, Lebanon,
Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the problems will
get worse over time. The King also urged US to focus
attention on Lebanon, noting that the US made commitments to
provide assistance to the Lebanese Army but has not
delivered. When Townsend committed to taking the issue back,
the King said that he had faith and confidence in her ability
to convey this to the President.


7. (S/NF) Muhammad bin Nayef added that for three years now
Iran has sheltered a son of Bin Laden. He said the MoI had
contacted their Iranian counterparts in the past, sent an
official to Geneva and asked them to hand him over as a Saudi
national. They refused to do it, he said..


8. (S/NF) The King noted that when considering Iran, he asks
why Tehran wants a nuclear capability and against whom would
they use it. He fears that if Iran gets nuclear capability,
all the other major countries in the region will seek it as
well. Townsend said counter-proliferation is a key goal of
the President's and noted that it is not a concern unique to
the US but rather requires the International Community to
resolve. That's true, replied the King, but only the US has
the capability of stopping Iran. Townsend said each of our
partners has some capability to add their leverage to the
counter-proliferation effort. The King cited the example of
North Korea: while negotiating, it developed nuclear weapons.
This is the price for waiting, the King stressed. If Iran
is not dealt with during the President,s administration, he
concluded, the price for the next administration will be
unbearably high.


9. (S/NF) On US-Saudi counterterrorism cooperation, Muhammad
bin Nayef briefed that the MoI had just begun constructing a
training academy for the Facilities Security Force. The goal
was to recruit and deploy 35,000 personnel within the next
2-3 years. Townsend said the US wants to cooperate and
support this effort by providing equipment and training
assistance. The King directed Muhammad bin Nayef to follow
up. Townsend added that she would visit oil facilities at
Ras Tanura the next day. At this point, the King described
his visit to the Shayba oil field, with its difficult
airfield landing strip. He suggested that Townsend visit
this place as well. (Townsend committed to visit Shayba
during her next trip to the Kingdom in early 2007).


10. (S/NF) Townsend said there has been tremendous joint
work on the operational counterterrorism side. The MoI
capabilities have improved, and we are now preempting
attacks. The King replied that he has heard of and
appreciated Townsend's strong and supportive public
statements. "We know what people say in the US thanks to
Muqrin's people." Townsend, however, iterated the importance
of establishing the Charities Commission and pressed the King
on this issue. Muhammad bin Nayef explained to Townsend that
the SAG needs to pass a law establishing the Commission, but
that the Council of Ministers' legal affairs committee has
legal concerns with a government entity supervising private
charities. Legally speaking, a non-governmental body would
be best, with some government oversight, according to
Muhammad bin Nayef. The King instructed Muhammad bin Nayef
to ensure that the supervisory body be non-governmental.


11. (S/NF) Townsend explained that what is needed is a
governmental regulatory commission to set the rules and
standards. She appreciated that the King had tried to
stopped transfers to charities outside the Kingdom during
this period of study but that as we have seen, the charities
have found ways around this rule. And it has been almost
four years since the announcement of a charities commission,
and the absence of such a commission has become a credibility
issue in and of itself. The King agreed. Muhammad bin
Nayef said we will work together, and added that Saudi Arabia
had done more than many other countries in the region.
Townsend said she doesn't disagree that SAG has made good
efforts, but that the charities commission is an open issue.
She stressed that it is a source of embarrassment and
frustration in the USG. "You raised it because it is in our
interest," concluded the King.


12. (S/NF) The King then said perhaps the US could be more
forthcoming on one issue - support for the establishment of
an international center for counterterrorism information, a
proposal made at the Riyadh Conference. Townsend said the
latest news she had was that it was agreed to establish a
regional center in Bahrain. The King said, &Bahrain

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doesn,t have money, it can,t do anything at all. What
about the UAE? Jubair interpreted this as follows: "This
effort seems to have stalled over financing. Bahrain is a
small country." The King then stressed that for
counterterrorism, information is the most important element,
and such a center could help information flows and law
enforcement efforts.


13. (S/NF) The King concluded the meeting noting he still
has hope for the counterterrorism center, and that friends
have to talk with each other in this fashion.


14. (U) APHSCT Townsend has cleared this cable.
OBERWETTER