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06RIYADH9031
2006-12-09 14:47:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Riyadh
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COLORADO ATTORNEY GENERAL MEETS WITH SAG REGARDING

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SUBJECT: COLORADO ATTORNEY GENERAL MEETS WITH SAG REGARDING
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Classified By: Ambassador James C. Oberwetter for reasons 1.4 (b) and (
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SUBJECT: COLORADO ATTORNEY GENERAL MEETS WITH SAG REGARDING
AL-TURKI CASE

REF: A. RIYADH 8725

B. RIYADH 7097

Classified By: Ambassador James C. Oberwetter for reasons 1.4 (b) and (
d).


1. (C) SUMMARY: At Post's invitation, Colorado Attorney
General (AG) John Suthers visited the Kingdom from November
14-17 to explain the Homaidan Al-Turki case to King Abdullah
bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud, Saudi government officials, and the
Al-Turki family. The very successful visit highlighted the
immense differences between the laws of Colorado and Saudi
Arabia, but clarified for the Saudis why Al-Turki was
sentenced to 28 years in prison for sexual assault. Everyone
except Al-Turki's family, which still insists that he was the
victim of anti-Muslim bias, expressed deep gratitude for the
AG traveling to Saudi Arabia to discuss the case. END
SUMMARY.


2. (C) At Post's invitation, Colorado Attorney General (AG)
John Suthers visited the Kingdom from November 14-17 to
explain the Homaidan Al-Turki case to King Abdullah bin Abdul
Aziz Al Saud, Saudi government officials, and the Al-Turki
family. The exchanges in all the meetings were similar. AG
Suthers said that the King and Minister of Justice Dr.
Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Ibrahim Al Al-Sheik were the two
most informed and engaged Saudis he met. Suthers also met
with HRH Crown Prince Sultan, Minister of State for Foreign
Affairs HE Ambassador Dr. Nizar Obaid Madani, Minister of the
Interior Prince Naif, and Chief of the Supreme Judicial
Council Sheik Salah al-Luhaidan (the Sharia law supremo).
Suthers also met with Al-Turki's brother (and chief
spokesman),Dr. Ahmad Al-Turki (a Canadian-trained
dermatologist),cousin -- attorney Fahad Al-Nassar -- Zaid
Al-Hussain of the Human Rights Commission and Hamed Al-Malek
of the National Society for Human Rights. The AG also
explained the case to nine senior Saudi lawyers, government
officials, and human rights activists in a meeting at the
Ambassador's residence. The AG was accompanied by Jonathan
Anderson, the Chief Counsel to Colorado Governor Bill Owen.


3. (C) Ambassador, DCM, Chief Counsel Jonathan Anderson, and

PAO accompanied AG Suthers to the 45-minute meeting with the
King at the Royal Diwan. The King opened, "I hope you will
look at this affair from the bottom of your conscience."
Suthers explained as background that he had "spent a lot of
time with this case," meeting with the prosecutor and reading
the testimony from the trial. He also explained that
Al-Turki had four "very good attorneys" who "are the best in
Colorado." Suthers noted that Al-Turki chose not to
testify, even after the judge counseled that this was his
right. (Note: Under Saudi Arabia's Sharia law, defense
testimony is a vital part of a case. End Note.) The King
replied, "It could have had to do with the fact that he was
confident that the facts were compelling. But he should have
testified."


4. (C) Suthers continued that "the testimony of the
Indonesian maid was very compelling." Important
corroborating testimony came from two women who also stated
under oath that Al-Turki had attempted to sexually assault
them. One was a former bookkeeper from Al-Turki's bookstore
business in Colorado and the other was an Arab-American women
he met online in an Arabic chatroom. The King asked whether
it was sexual assault, which Suthers confirmed. Suthers also
explained that sexual assault carries a mandatory sentence in
Colorado of 20 years to life and the judge had no choice in
his sentencing. The judge did give Al-Turki a break by
allowing his sentences from 12 guilty counts to run
concurrently. Suthers also explained the lesser charges of
not paying the Indonesian maid and holding her prisoner in
his house.


5. (C) The King explained that "from the perspective of the
people of Saudi Arabia, they see Al-Turki as an honest man of
faith, a married man, a Muslim man." The charges were "hard
to believe given his religion and family." (Note: Al-Turki
comes from a prominent religious family and his father was
one of the imams at the Mosque of the Prophet Mohammed in
Medina, which is considered one of the two holiest mosques in
Islam. End Note.) The King felt that the charges were "not
proven beyond a shadow of doubt." Suthers explained the jury
system and how jurors "have to be competent and find guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt." The King commented, "the
decision will always be on their (the jurors) conscience and
with God Almighty." He continued, "we have no doubt about
the fairness of the American legal system or the competence
of its judges and other officials. But we doubt the

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credibility of the witnesses...because his family is known
for its piety...and he is a married man with children and is
known as a mature man."


6. (C) The AG replied that Al-Turki had done very well in the
U.S. He lived there for 14 years, owned a business, had his
children in local schools, and was very involved in the local
Islamic religious community. However, the AG noted that
Al-Turki's wife and children returned to Saudi Arabia often,
but he did not, and this was when he would commit his acts.
When his family would leave, his wife put the Indonesian maid
with friends. Al-Turki would go to these friends and bring
the maid back when no one was there, which was corroborated
by witnesses.


7. (C) After the King was told that the maid worked for the
Al-Turki family for four and a half years, he asked, "And it
took that long for her to come forward?" Suthers replied
that it was a Saudi friend of Al-Turki who first contacted
the immigration authorities to say that the maid had not been
paid and that she lived on the floor of the basement. The
friend also said that two years earlier, the maid had told
him that Al-Turki was doing "naughty things" to her. Suthers
also noted that a medical examination showed that the maid
had lost her virginity, which she claimed was the result of
Al-Turki's sexual assault.


8. (C) At the end of this exchange, the King stated once
again, "I again emphasize our doubts about the evidence.
There has to be proof beyond doubt. This 'he said, she said'
would not be proof here. But I respect the American legal
system."


9. (C) Discussing next steps, the AG explained that
Al-Turki's sentencing is on automatic appeal in the Colorado
Appellate Court. It will be another three to four months
before a decision is made. If the sentence stands, his only
other chance would be for the Governor to pardon him, but
that is highly unlikely. (Note: Suthers said later that he
would tell incoming Colorado Governor that he might hear from
the Saudi Embassy in a few months. End Note.) Suthers also
told the King that Al-Turki could be paroled in as soon as
ten years, "depending on attitude and behavior."


10. (C) The King advised the AG that in his meeting with the
Al-Turki family, he might not be shown respect because it is
"their strong conviction that their family member was
wronged." The King explained that they are "driven by
emotion." (Note: After the meeting, as we were getting into
vehicles at the Palace entrance, the King's adviser, Adel
Jubair, ran out to ask whether we would agree to move the
meeting with the family and human rights lawyers to the
Conference Palace Hotel, which is controlled by the Palace.
We agreed. Jubair attended the meeting, and the family was
respectful to the Attorney General. End Note.)


11. (C) The King closed by saying, "I hope this case will not
come between our two countries. But as the Ambassador can
tell you, the case is seen as unfair." The King also
referred to an "undercurrent" of concern among Saudi students
who are studying in the U.S. He closed, "We will pray to God
to lead us to the truth."


12. (C) The other meetings with Saudi officials were very
similar in nature. In a short meeting, the Crown Prince
urged the AG to "look at this case with a humanitarian eye"
and stated that, "We hope the U.S. will always be sincere in
its friendship with us, and that is what we have seen today."
The Minister of Justice was especially interested in details
of court procedure. The Minister was impressed when the AG
said that in a similar case, an American received an almost
identical sentence in a Colorado court. The Minister
underscored "in Sharia law, confession is the main
mechanism," which he noted did not happen in the Al-Turki
case. He also found it odd that Al-Turki did not testify.


13. (C) The Minister of Interior implied that a deal should
be worked out to get Al-Turki back to Saudi Arabia, noting
that, "This person has not done anything to harm
America...perhaps we could relook at the case and do
something." The AG explained the appeals process, noting
that he would give the Governor of Colorado a thorough
briefing about his visit to Saudi Arabia. The Minister of
State at the MFA, who earlier served at the Saudi embassy in
Washington, said that he had never heard of such a long
sentence in such a case, to which the AG explained mandatory
sentencing in Colorado for sexual assault. Suthers also
dispelled any rumors about FBI involvement at the trial,

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pointing out that local prosecutors "did not -- and would not
-- know" about any FBI case, saying that the prosecutors
could rely only on evidence provided by the local police.


14. (C) The meeting with the family members and the human
rights leaders focused on the family's demand for a new
trial. They accused Federal and Colorado State officials of
preventing a fair trial. One of the human rights leaders --
a vocal critic of the U.S. in this case -- praised Suthers
for coming. Finally, we were surprised that the Chief of the
Supreme Judicial Council said he did not know much about the
case -- "he heard about it in the media" -- and did not want
to delve into it.


15. (C) COMMENT: All of the AG,s Saudi interlocutors made
it clear that they appreciated his willingness to come all
the way to the Kingdom to discuss this case. He was able to
discuss clearly and authoritatively key elements of the case,
often citing his own "bona fides" as a prosecutor. We
believe that the visit successfully countered Saudi claims of
American mistreatment and arrogance, and expect the volume of
anti-American publicity on this case to lessen.
OBERWETTER