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06RIYADH7629
2006-09-28 15:24:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Embassy Riyadh
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DRL DAS ERICA BARKS-RUGGLES DISCUSSES POLITICS,

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C O N F I D E N T I A L RIYADH 007629 

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/27/2016
TAGS: PGOV PREL PHUM KWMN SA
SUBJECT: DRL DAS ERICA BARKS-RUGGLES DISCUSSES POLITICS,
PUBLIC RELATIONS AND PROGRAMMING WITH SAUDI WOMEN

Classified By: Acting Deputy Chief of Mission David Rundell
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

C O N F I D E N T I A L RIYADH 007629

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SIPDIS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/27/2016
TAGS: PGOV PREL PHUM KWMN SA
SUBJECT: DRL DAS ERICA BARKS-RUGGLES DISCUSSES POLITICS,
PUBLIC RELATIONS AND PROGRAMMING WITH SAUDI WOMEN

Classified By: Acting Deputy Chief of Mission David Rundell
for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).


1. (C) SUMMARY: Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor (DRL)
Deputy Assistant Secretary (DAS) Erica Barks-Ruggles met with
dozens of Saudi women representing a broad spectrum of
opinions and backgrounds during her September 12-14 visit to
Saudi Arabia. The Saudi women unanimously agreed that Saudi
tribal traditions are often wrongly portrayed as religious
requirements, but disagreed on the degree of importance that
religion plays in Saudi society and how it challenges the
SAG's push for reforms. In prioritizing challenges for young
women, the Saudi women said they believe equality in
education and economic opportunities, self-confidence,
self-esteem, and freedom of choice (in careers, family
situation, and place of residence) are the most pressing
needs. Even those who lived for years in the United States
expressed fear of harassment in post-September 11 travel to
the U.S. Some questioned the potential for problems with the
increased number of Saudi students being sent to the U.S.,
but expressed support for exchange programs in general, and
those involving high school students in particular. The
women blamed the media for distorting the image of Saudi
Arabia and the U.S. in each country. They identified
U.S.-Saudi partnerships as extremely positive tools by which
to improve the Saudi image in the U.S. END SUMMARY.

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Culture vs. Religion-- Tribes Win Out
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2. (C) During her three day visit to the Kingdom, DRL DAS
Erica Barks-Ruggles attended three "ladies' only" functions:
two in Riyadh and one in Jeddah. In Riyadh, DAS
Barks-Ruggles spent the first evening with a conservative,
religious group of "average" Saudi women, and the second
evening with a group of religious, yet more liberal and
"elite," Saudi women. In Jeddah, Barks-Ruggles met with
female members of the Chamber of Commerce and dined with
openly liberal, reform-minded women, many of whom were
long-time contacts and partners of the U.S. Consulate. The

discussions at each of these functions heavily focused on
politics, reform, and religion. The general consensus among
all of the women was that cultural and tribal traditions have
subsumed true Islam rules in governing family and daily life.
They expressed that due to the predominant, historic, and
deep-seated ties within tribal communities, reforms that go
against the tribal grain must be undertaken slowly. They
also agreed that King Abdullah is committed to change and has
good intentions, but cautioned that it must continue at a
measured pace and tribal and religious factions must be taken
into account. If not, they warned, the pushback from both
Saudi men and women, conservative and liberal alike, will
stall progress. Only in Jeddah were the women willing to
address what would happen if King Abdullah were unable to
push reform forward in the medium to long-term. They
admitted that without his leadership, the process might stall
and noted that the tempo for reform must take this into
account.


3. (C) During the first meeting in Riyadh, the women
considered themselves to be very religious, but cautioned
that being "religious" should not be used as a metaphor for
being "extremist." They emphasized that many of the rules
governing their daily behavior were really the result of
cultural exploitation of religion -- these rules are not
mandated by Islam itself. They emphasized that women should
have a choice as to how to conservatively they want to
dress-- that this should be up to each person according to
her comfort, faith, and family tradition. However, they
said, since religion is the cornerstone of Saudi society, it
must be respected and reforms implemented in accordance with
it.


4. (C) The more elite women who participated in the second
Riyadh meeting agreed, noting that suppression of women's
rights is the result of exploitation of tribal tradition and
not based on religion. They described a degree of liberalism
in previous generations (often just 20-30 years ago) -- when
women worked in the markets and the fields, did not cover
their faces, attended schools, and even drove -- that does
not currently exist in the Kingdom. They claimed, however,
that the current generation's educational achievements will
facilitate the push for reforms relating to women's rights.
Nevertheless, "tribalists" and religious conservatives who
are trying to keep a tight grip on traditional Saudi society
are forcing cultural extremes to the surface. One woman in
her twenties said that when she turned eighteen years old,
her father took her to the courts to legally transfer his
guardianship to her in order to grant her greater
independence. The court refused, despite the fact that her
mother and grandmother's generations had been successful in

doing so.


5. (C) The Jeddah luncheon sparked a heated debate over
tribal influence on Saudi society, with one woman exclaiming,
"if I had a gun, I would use it to kill tribal leaders."
This quote summed up the nature of the discussion: tribes are
the root of evil-- their rule perpetuates the "backwardness"
of Saudi society. The women disagreed only as to whether 75
or 99 percent of Saudi society fall under the conservative
tribal rubric. Much of their anger towards tribal traditions
was explained when they stated that tribal rule means they
cannot be in any decision-making position. They stated that
the only way the SAG's push for reform will be successful is
if the tribal structure is co-opted into the effort. Then
religious conservatives can be dealt with separately, because
most reform efforts do not contradict Islam. One woman even
stated, "tribes hijacked religion in Saudi Arabia and are the
number one obstacle to reform." This group too, however, was
hesitant on the pace of reform, with one participant summing
up, "We do not want to lose our identity; don't want to be
stereotyped. That will result in globalization that nobody
wants. We need to find our own identity within our culture,
and this takes time and understanding."

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How to Win Over the U.S. Public and Alleviate Fear in Saudi
Society
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6. (C) The conversation during all events often strayed to
the negative public image of America in Saudi Arabia and vice
versa. Most women agreed that student scholarships for
universities are a good idea because of the burgeoning youth
population in Saudi Arabia and insufficient university
capacity. Nevertheless, many of the women said they had
refused to send their own children to study in the U.S.
post-September 11, primarily due to fear of their being
treated in an undignified manner during the visa process, at
the port of entry, and/or during the period of study. They
cited numerous personal and media accounts of such problems,
while acknowledging that these cases did not represent the
vast majority of positive visits by Saudis to the U.S. The
women worried about negative stereotypes of Saudis in the
U.S. media and asked about ways to change these perceptions.
Until these issues are effectively addressed, they
speculated, scholarships and exchanges with the U.S. would
not be able to fully reach their targets.


7. (C) When the subject turned to potential exchange
programs, all were enthusiastic about possible future two-way
exchanges of high school students. However, reactions varied
among the groups: the women from Riyadh had a very different
reaction than the women from Jeddah. Women based in Riyadh
said that they would gladly host females in their homes as
high school exchange students. They thought it would be a
good way to demonstrate the positive aspects of Saudi
society, and many said that, in their experience, western
expatriate children very often had positive experiences and
enjoyed their time in Saudi Arabia. They said, however, that
they would not trust high school-aged boys around their
daughters, so they would only accept girls into their
households. Likewise, they said that they would only send
their sons to the U.S. on high school exchange programs
because they did not trust that their daughters would be
safe. In Jeddah, however, the women had a very different
reaction. They welcomed the idea of hosting both male and
female high school students in their homes; three women even
volunteered several times to open up their homes to potential
students. The women then said that they would only send
their daughters to the U.S. because they felt that only the
girls were mature enough at that age to deal with possible
problems in the States.

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Building Bridges through Partnerships
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8. (C) The women hailed as an example of how to improve
U.S.- Saudi public images abroad the Middle East Partnership
Initiative (MEPI) partnership on fighting breast cancer that
was recently initiated in the Kingdom. DAS Barks-Ruggles
discussed with physician and breast cancer patient Dr. Samia
Amoudi the increasing awareness and prevention campaigns
under the MEPI-sponsored partnership. They brainstormed on
several awareness-raising activities, such as partnering with
the Komen Foundation to increase distribution of
at-home-testing educational materials and introducing
awareness campaigns in local universities and young women's
magazines. They agreed on the importance of partnerships
with U.S. organizations to better facilitate the transfer of
"know-how" in education and awareness efforts to Saudi women.


9. (C) DAS Barks-Ruggles also discussed potential
partnerships with an HIV/AIDS activist. She suggested to Dr.
Sanaa Filemban using World AIDS Day as a launch pad for
increased awareness effort-- possibly in partnership with
U.S.-sponsored programs. They brainstormed on possible guest
speakers to raise awareness of the increasing number of AIDS
patients in the Kingdom. Currently, all immigrant workers,
prisoners, military personnel, and surgery patients are
tested, and most pregnant women and private company employees
are also tested for HIV. Issues such as 'temporary
marriages' (officially sanctioned marriages performed under
pre-set conditions, such as limited length of marriage and
"support" stipulations),drug abuse, and commercial sex
workers increase stigmatization in Saudi Arabia.


10. (C) Potential partnerships with the College of Business
Administration (CBA),where MEPI is currently supporting a
"Women in Technology (WIT)" program, were also discussed.
CBA is currently attempting to conduct student council
elections this semester -- only the second time this has
occurred. WIT Project Director Dr. Ala'a told DAS
Barks-Ruggles that the students, who are unfamiliar with
democratic principles, are in need of assistance. She
requested an information exchange between the U.S. and Saudi
Arabia, emphasizing that increased partnership with students
would improve their perceptions of the U.S., which are
faltering due to consistent, negative media exposure.


11. (C) Jeddah Chamber of Commerce and Industry (JCCI)
representatives spoke at length with DAS Barks-Ruggles about
the need to empower Saudi women relative to the Convention on
the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
(CEDAW) as well as under the World Trade Organization (WTO).
They requested partnership support for conducting workshops
on the rights of women under WTO accession and also to train
women on lobbying and negotiating skills. DAS Barks-Ruggles
suggested it may make sense for them and other women to
participate in civil society discussions on the margins of
the U.S.-Saudi Strategic Dialogue, and the JCCI women were
enthusiastic about the possibility. They requested U.S.
assistance in lobbying for such inclusion and offered to
lobby the SAG as well. They also shared their negative
experience with the International Labor Organization in
Riyadh, which canceled a meeting with the women of the JCCI
on women's issues and instead met only with the male members
of the Riyadh Chamber of Commerce. They expressed hope that
this situation would not be repeated and said that, with more
expertise in lobbying, they would be able to prevent such
incidents in the future.


12. (U) This cable has been cleared by DAS Barks-Ruggles.
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