Identifier
Created
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06QUEBEC41
2006-03-28 14:58:00
CONFIDENTIAL
Consulate Quebec
Cable title:  

BLOC QUEBECOIS INTERNALLY DIVIDED OVER AFGHANISTAN

Tags:  PREL MARR ECON PGOV CA 
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E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/28/2016
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SUBJECT: BLOC QUEBECOIS INTERNALLY DIVIDED OVER AFGHANISTAN


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CLASSIFIED BY: Abigail Friedman, Consul General, Quebec City,
State.
REASON: 1.4 (b),(d)



CLASSIFIED BY: Abigail Friedman, Consul General, Quebec City,
State.
REASON: 1.4 (b),(d)



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E.O. 12958: DECL: 3/28/2016
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SUBJECT: BLOC QUEBECOIS INTERNALLY DIVIDED OVER AFGHANISTAN


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CLASSIFIED BY: Abigail Friedman, Consul General, Quebec City,
State.
REASON: 1.4 (b),(d)



CLASSIFIED BY: Abigail Friedman, Consul General, Quebec City,
State.
REASON: 1.4 (b),(d)




1. (c) Summary: A Bloc Quebecois (BQ) MP told CG March 22 that
Bloc members fiercely debated BQ leader Gilles Duceppe's
decision not to object in the coming parliamentary session to
Canada's military presence in Afghanistan. Discussion within
the party on Afghanistan is not yet closed. Other priority
issues for the Bloc will include: CIA planes; softwood lumber;
the environment; WHTI; missile defense; mad cow; and dairy
product regulations. The Bloc, with the deciding vote, will
seek to work with the Conservatives, according to our contact,
and will not take on the minority government until it is time to
bring them down. End summary.


2. (c) In a meeting with CG in Quebec City, March 22, a Bloc MP
stated that the following would be priority issues for the party
in the coming Parliamentary session (in no particular order):

-- Afghanistan
-- the environment (Kyoto)
-- CIA planes
-- softwood lumber
-- missile defense
-- WHTI
-- mad cow
-- milk products
-- internet pharmacies

On matters relating specifically to Quebec, the Bloc will focus
on:

-- fiscal imbalance
-- the environment
-- day-care
-- Quebec's place in the world

Afghanistan
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3. (C) The Bloc MP said there had been a huge debate over what
position the Bloc should take on Afghanistan during the party's
most recent caucus gathering. Several Bloc members are still
seething from Gilles Duceppe's decision not to object to
Canada's military presence there. (Comment: Duceppe is well
known for his firm, at times less-than-democratic approach to
running his party. End comment.) While Duceppe made the call, he

apparently has agreed to allow the matter to be discussed again
at the next caucus meeting.


4. (U) According to the party's public statements, "The BQ in no
way calls into question the legitimacy of the mission that was
confided to the Canadian military upon its departure for
Afghanistan but we believe the parameters of this mission have
evolved since that time. In transferring from Kabul to
Kandahar, they (Canadian troops) are going to be called upon to
play a role that is less and less defensive and more and more
offensive in nature.... The Bloc is fully aware that Canada has
committed itself before the international community and the
Afghan govt. to be present until the beginning of next year and
that it is unthinkable to withdraw from one day to the next.
This engagement is even more important as the Canadian military
has now assumed the command of NATO forces in the south of
Afghanistan. We believe nonetheless that the evolution of the
situation as well as that information is only reaching the
population in dribbles, amply justifies that this matter be
submitted for discussion in parliament in the coming weeks."
(Consulate translation.)

Other Matters of U.S. Interest
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5. (c) On other matters, our contact said that the Bloc would
call for an investigation of alleged CIA planes transiting and
stopping in Canada. The Bloc also is watching closely the
softwood lumber debate between the U.S. and Canada, which our
contact agreed needs to be resolved through negotiation.
Finally, the Bloc also will track Quebec/Canadian subsidies in
the dairy sector that may come under U.S. scrutiny. The Bloc
wants to protect these subsidies, considering them "necessary"
to the survival of the industry.

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Canada/Quebec Relations
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6. (c) The Bloc MP indicated to CG that Duceppe is seeking
harmony with the Harper government. The Bloc has the deciding
vote and when the Bloc goes against the Conservatives, "it will
be to bring the government down." Until then, our contact
expects the Bloc will seek to find commonalities rather than
differences with the ruling party. Our contact expects the
coming Parliamentary session to be much more manageable than the
previous session under the Liberals. "The Conservatives may
have positions that the Bloc does not share, but the Bloc at
least has a pretty good idea of what these are. With the
Liberals, you never knew whether they meant what they were
saying."


7. (c) On specific Quebec-Ottawa issues, our contact said that
the Bloc will be sounding out various Quebec stakeholders in the
coming months on fiscal imbalance; the environment; day-care;
and Quebec's place in the world. The Bloc is looking for Harper
to honor the agreement of the previous Liberal government to
fund Quebec daycare. As for Quebec's place in the world, the MP
was skeptical that the Prime Minister would be able to live up
to his promise for Quebec to have a seat at UNESCO. After all,
if UNESCO agreed, what would happen when other provinces,
states, and regions of the world then asked for the same thing?

Comment
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8. (c) While the Bloc has the deciding vote in the next
parliament, it wants to avoid bringing the government down and
triggering elections even more than PM Harper and the ruling
party. The Bloc has not yet digested its loss of ridings in
Quebec and the Conservative's gains. The series of Bloc
meetings with Quebec "stakeholders" is just the beginning of
what will likely be a long process of the Bloc's trying to
figure out what went wrong and how the party can rebuild
support.
FRIEDMAN