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06HOCHIMINHCITY42
2006-01-13 05:04:00
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Consulate Ho Chi Minh City
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PROPOSED REPLY TO GVN CONSULAR TRAVEL NOTIFICATION

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FM AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY
TO SECSTATE WASHDC 0233
INFO AMEMBASSY HANOI 
AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY
UNCLAS HO CHI MINH CITY 000042 

SIPDIS


SENSITIVE

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: AMGT CMGT PREL KFRD VM
SUBJECT: PROPOSED REPLY TO GVN CONSULAR TRAVEL NOTIFICATION
REQUIREMENT

REF: A) 2/12/97 ANDERSON LETTER B) 2/20/97 PHUC LETTER

UNCLAS HO CHI MINH CITY 000042

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SENSITIVE

E.O. 12958: N/A
TAGS: AMGT CMGT PREL KFRD VM
SUBJECT: PROPOSED REPLY TO GVN CONSULAR TRAVEL NOTIFICATION
REQUIREMENT

REF: A) 2/12/97 ANDERSON LETTER B) 2/20/97 PHUC LETTER


1. (U) This is an action request for EAP and CA. Please see
paragraph 9.

Summary
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2. (SBU) In a diplomatic note dated December 22, 2005, the Ho
Chi Minh City (HCMC) External Relations Office (ERO) complained
that the Consulate General was not informing the ERO of the
names and addresses of Vietnamese citizens consular officers
might need to meet when conducting normal operations outside of
the formally recognized consular district (i.e., HCMC only, not
other provinces). This note appears to be motivated by some
local officials' objections to consular officers performing
fraud prevention investigations in their locales. The Consulate
General proposes to reply to this note by confirming that it is
operating according to the 1997 exchange of letters (Refs A, B)
that established the HCMC and San Francisco Consulates General.

Fraud Prevention Investigation Difficulties and Necessities
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3. (SBU) Approximately three-fourths of the fraud prevention
site visits performed by HCMC consular officers and Fraud
Prevention Unit (FPU) staff involve suspected sham divorces by
immigrant visa applicants. The success of these site visits
(approximately 80 percent of which determine conclusively that
the applicant engaged in a sham divorce) depends upon an element
of surprise. Recent cases in which local Vietnamese officials
in Thua Thien-Hue and other provinces have harassed and briefly
detained FPU investigators (e.g., Ref C) also involved the
officials warning visa applicants of consular officers' presence
in the area, which made the site visits useless if they were
possible at all. The recent frictions between FPU investigators
and some local officials seem to have motivated the ERO to send
its latest diplomatic note concerning the process of notifying
the ERO about consular travel.

Travel Notification Procedures
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4. (SBU) Department will recall that the GVN does not recognize
HCMC's consular district as extending beyond the city, pending a
promised, allegedly imminent change in GVN rules. However, the
GVN committed to facilitating official consulate travel from Hue

on south, subject to prior notification. For representational
travel by the CG or reporting travel, we generally notify ERO
and the province several weeks in advance in order to secure
official meetings. We usually let the province know informally
what unofficial meetings we plan but we do not seek permission
or ask assistance with those meetings. In the case of consular
fraud investigations, we send a note to the External Relations
office in HCMC two working days prior to a trip notifying only
the travelers and the provinces to be visited, for "routine
consular business."

The External Relations Office's Diplomatic Notes
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5. (SBU) The English text of ERO's note 5616/NV-LS-QHLS follows.

Begin Text:
Complimentary opening...and as a follow-up to diplomatic note
3250/NV/LS dated July 19, 2005, hereby discusses the following
issue:

Recently, the Consulate General has sent many delegations of
consular officials on routine consular work trips to localities
outside of the consular district. The Consulate General's
diplomatic notes before the trips only informed the names of
consular officials, time and destinations but did not specify
either the content of the work or name and address of the
Vietnamese citizens that consular officials intended to meet.
This fact has created difficulties for security protection and
local cooperation when the delegations arrived.

Therefore, the Ho Chi Minh City Office of External Relations
hereby requests the Consulate General to provide future
diplomatic notes on routine consular work trips in adherence to
the agreement between Ministry of Foreign Affairs' Consular
Section and the United States Embassy in Hanoi. (Please see
attached diplomatic note number 523/LS-QH dated May 26, 2005
from the Consular Section, Ministry of Foreign Affairs.)

The HCMC Office of External Relations hopes to receive
cooperation from the Consulate General in the above-mentioned
issue and once again avails itself of this opportunity to renew
to the General Consulate the assurances of its highest
consideration. END TEXT.


6. (SBU) MFA's Diplomatic Note 523/LS-QH of May 26, 2005 to


Embassy Hanoi:

Begin Text:
Complimentary opening

In accordance with the UN Vienna Convention in 1963 on consular
relations, Vietnamese government's regulations as well as
bilateral agreement on activities of the General Consulate in Ho
Chi Minh City, Vietnam has always been ready to facilitate the
US Consulate General in Ho Chi Minh City to carry out its
activities outside of its consular district.

However, in order to enable Vietnamese authorities to cooperate,
assist, and provide security for the Consulate's General
delegations outside of the consular district, we ask that the
United States Embassy requests the United States Consulate
General in HCMC to inform HCMC Office of External Relations in
advance the proposed schedule before every trip, in adherence to
the Dip note numbered 142/NG-LS that Ministry of Foreign Affairs
sent to the Embassy on May 9, 2001. End Text.


7. (SBU) MFA Diplomatic Note No. 142/NG-LS of May 9, 2001 (text
below) was sent to all diplomatic missions. It defines the
consular district of consulates in HCMC as the urban and
suburban areas of HCMC. It specifies consular officers must
seek permission by diplomatic note and receive an affirmative
response before conducting consular business elsewhere. Post
does not follow this practice.


8. (U) English text of MFA Diplomatic Note No. 146/NG-LS of May
9, 2001 sent to all embassies and consulates.

Complimentary opening.
Over the past period, a number of foreign consular offices,
especially those based in the area of Ho Chi Minh City,
conducted activities outside their consular districts without
asking the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for permission in advance.
In order to facilitate the activities of the foreign consular
offices in Vietnam in accordance with Vietnamese laws and
international laws and practices, the Ministry of Foreign
Affairs would like to reiterate the following principles:

1. The consular district of a foreign consular office in Vietnam
is clearly specified in the Consular Acceptance Document issued
by the Government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam to the
chief of the consular office. The consular district of foreign
consular offices in Ho Chi Minh City is Ho Chi Minh City with
its urban and suburban areas.

2. Pursuant to the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations,
consular officers shall only perform their consular function
within their consular district.

3. In cases of necessity, only when permitted by the Government
of Vietnam shall consular officers have the right to perform
their function outside their consular district. Procedures to
apply for such permission are as follows:
For consular offices based in Hue and northwards, their
Embassies in Ha Noi shall send their diplomatic notes to the
Consular Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. For
consular offices based in Da Nang and southwards, the consular
offices shall directly send their diplomatic notes to the
Foreign Affairs Department of Ho Chi Minh City.
Each diplomatic note should clearly specify its request
regarding time, location(s) to be visited, visit program, the
consular officer(s) authorized to perform consular function,
means of transport (if any).
Within 05 working days, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (its
Consular Department, the Foreign Affairs Department of Ho Chi
Minh City) shall consider and reply via a diplomatic note
(giving its approval or disapproval). The consular officer(s)
shall only be permitted to perform consular function outside the
consular district after being approved by the Ministry of
Foreign Affairs.
In special urgent cases, the foreign diplomatic missions and
consular offices can fax their requests in advance and send
their official diplomatic notes later. The Consular Department
and the Foreign Affairs Department of Ho Chi Minh City shall
consider and reply as soon as possible (right after receiving
the requests). End Text.

ACTION REQUEST - ConGen HCMC's Proposed Reply
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9. (SBU) The ERO's assertion that notification of consular
travel outside the formally recognized consular district must
include provision of the names and addresses of Vietnamese
citizens to be visited is nowhere mentioned or implied in the
1997 exchange of notes establishing the consulates general.
This appears to be nothing more than a unilateral assertion by
both the MFA and the ERO, one which has been repeated in
periodic diplomatic notes to all HCMC consulates and which we
have and shall continue to ignore. Consulate General proposes
the following reply to the ERO's note and
requests Department concurrence. Embassy Hanoi has cleared this


message.

Begin Text.

The Consulate General of the United States of America in Ho Chi
Minh City presents its compliments to the Ho Chi Minh City
Office of External Relations and has the honor to reply to
diplomatic note 5616/NV-LS-QHLS dated December 22, 2005.

With respect to its routine consular work in the provinces of
Thua Thien Hue and southwards, the Consulate General shall
continue to operate according to the exchanges of letters
establishing consulates general in Ho Chi Minh City and San
Francisco between Charge d'Affaires Desaix Anderson and
Assistant Foreign Minister Bui Hong Phuc in 1997. The Consulate
General has the honor to recall that the Socialist Republic of
Vietnam committed to facilitate consular activities by the U.S.
Consulate General in Ho Chi Minh City from Thua Thien-Hue south,
pending a Government of Vietnam decision formally to recognize
this area as the Ho Chi Minh City consular district. In this
regard, the Consulate General requests an update on the status
of this decision which the Ministry of Foreign Affairs had
informed the Embassy of the United States was to have been
resolved several years ago. The Socialist Republic of Vietnam
and the United States of America further agreed that the sending
country would inform the receiving country of its intention to
conduct normal consular operations outside of the formally
recognized consular district as the need might arise for such
operations.

The Consulate General once again avails itself of this
opportunity to renew to the Ho Chi Minh City External Relations
Office the assurances of its highest consideration. End Text.
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